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this hope radiates for the massive

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this person found and there's now in the

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occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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this is fade to black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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your health into the year 1985

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you're the plaintiff Thank You drag with

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Jimmy judge on live game changer Ned

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right hey fade to black

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booze smoke radio for the masses today

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is Monday May 8 127 days into the new

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year just 238 days left we are live from

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a bunker somewhere in downtown Burbank

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California and I would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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Amy Church what is cracking everybody

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happy Monday we've got a great week

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lined up in front of it kind of little

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it's all good tonight tonight we have

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we're going to go full UFO all night

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long we're going to go UFO all week long

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actually tomorrow night Peter lavinda is

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here tomorrow night peter is going to

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talk about the 100th anniversary of

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Fatima yeah can you believe it's been

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100 years Wednesday night is author Rd

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Gennari Thursday night is another Fator

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night with Jon Rappoport

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and the zoomorphic newsroom live

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followed by open lines all night long

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Friday night I'll be over at

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coast-to-coast hosting over there my

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guests will be Steven Greer Saturday

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will be Saturday May 13th a May 13th

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1917 it's been a hundred years so that's

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in the amphitheater I want to remind

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everybody that Friday night Caroline

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ok so there you go what a great weekend

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that we've got lined up now that's next

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show crackin happy birthday to today

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Enrique Iglesias today is 42 years old

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you know and he makes the cut 100

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million albums by the way he has sold

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worldwide he makes the cut because what

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was the film he did with Antonio

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Banderas ah where he played the assassin

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he was so good at that anyway as our

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dead guy's birthday today is don rickles

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1926 2017 legendary insult comedian who

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was a frequent guest on The Tonight Show

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with Johnny Carson and of course the

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Dean Martin celebrity roasts specials

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that we all know and love from our

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childhood but he was also mr. Potato

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Head in the three Toy Story films if he

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didn't know that he died last month at

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the age of 90 happy birthday today to

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Don Rickles on the state history OTD

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1945 that's right Victory in Europe day

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was on this day May 8th 1945 fader fact

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there are nearly 1,400 known asteroids

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known asteroids capable of causing major

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devastation if they hit planet Earth

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that is a favored fact now how many that

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we don't know right all right tonight

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our guest is Michael shraddh first time

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on the show Michael a lot like Richard

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his presentations and his thorough

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aircraft and triangles and underground

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bases and above-ground bases his

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knowledge is it's extraordinary and he

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is one of the stars in in Greer's new

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film unacknowledged great presenter in

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the film but tonight is the first time

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he's on the show and I cannot wait to

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get the questions asked of him

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so that's tonight tomorrow night Peter

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Levin des here Wednesday night our D

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an engagement that we are going to go

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and do and then Friday night I'm over

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coast and Saturday I'm over a coast now

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shraddh is with us tonight over the

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weekend the x-37b landed after two years

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in orbit secret space plane of the

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what is it doing up there it just landed

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Coast it's always landed out here in the

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Mojave but it landed for the first time

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on the East Coast and they've been

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preparing that for years for this

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landing out there but what is it doing

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up there when when the secret space

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there's a lot of disinformation out

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there about it and the secret space

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program if you want to know of it in its

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official capacity right there the x-37b

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know what it's doing up there is it

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dealing with weaponized satellites is it

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spying is it does it have camp we don't

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know anything about the x-37b that's

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because it's part of a secret space

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program so if anybody ever comes up uses

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man you know there isn't yes there is

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the x-37b is part of what we know about

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about a secret space program we're going

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to talk about that tonight with Michael

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track but the disinformation that is out

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to the secret space program we have a

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lot of whistleblowers we have a lot of

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people that have been part of the real

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space program speaking about a parallel

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space program that has gone on in the

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background over the years we have so

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many black operations and black budget

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Pentagon projects that are going on that

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we don't know where this money is has

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disappeared - right and this is what we

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need to do and Michael is certainly part

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of this is we need to have a united

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front we don't need to have this person

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or this for oh you know talking about

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each other or or the audience taking

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sides with that's not what we need what

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we need is to listen to everybody

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tonight Michael shraddha is part of that

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we need to listen to everybody we need

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to push everything into the middle of

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the table tonight or next week is

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contact in the desert and again a bunch

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of different views on a very touchy

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subject and we need to listen to

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everybody the infighting that goes on it

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just it just rubs me the wrong way I'm

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not happy about any of it and I'll tell

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you something else it doesn't only

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include UFOs in the secret space program

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right it's Egyptology it's it's it's

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Peru it's lost civilization since its

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North America its Asia everywhere right

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we just need to have a general United

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Front and I will be at the center of all

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of it this is fade to black I'm your

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Jimmy Church I'll be right back after

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this break with our guest Michael shred

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all right welcome back

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on the game changer network and kg RA

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the planet tonight Michaels rat is with

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us for the first time we're going to go

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pull UFO all night tonight as we will

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all week because tomorrow night our

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guest is Peter Levin de Wednesday night

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then Friday and Saturday I'm over at

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coast with Steven Greer and again with

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Peter lavinda so great week lined up for

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everybody tonight Michael shred he is a

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private pilot military aerospace

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historian and has lectured across the

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country on the unique subject of mystery

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aircraft and classified propulsion

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systems buried deep within the

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military-industrial complex a guest

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speaker at the Oshkosh AirVenture 2006

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and 7 event the world's largest airshow

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by the way Michael has developed a

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number of contacts which have had

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first-hand experience dealing with

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classified black programs including

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former USAF pilots retired naval

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personnel and aerospace engineers that

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have maintained a top-secret FCI

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security clearance Michael currently

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works as a SolidWorks draftsman in

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Phoenix Arizona in an effort to expose

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government fraud waste and abuse Michael

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devotes much of his free time

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researching aerospace technical

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documents conducting interviews and

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traveling to multiple University

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Archives as a concerned citizen it is

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his belief that it is our constitutional

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obligation to question authority and

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demand accounting of unacknowledged

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special access programs that bypass

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congressional oversight and public

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scrutiny to the tune of about 13

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trillion dollars I would like to welcome

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the first time to fade to black mr.

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Michael shred Michael good evening good

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evening Jimmy thanks for giving me the

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opportunity to be on the program oh man

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the honor is all mine

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my friend but this is we kick it off

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whenever we have a first-time guest you

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get the first-time guests disclaimer

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next time you're on the show you're not

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going to get it but you get it tonight

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and that disclaimer is the

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it's just you and I sitting on my couch

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talking as friends where we start we

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start where we end we end but we're

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going to end his friends there you go

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are you ready okay that sounds good that

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sounds fine you're not intimidated are

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you I want to start here before I want

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to you know talk about how you got into

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this of course but I want to start here

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you I look at you like I look at Richard

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Dolan or John Greenwald where you guys

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represent us when somebody comes up as

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many guys a bunch of tin foil hat great

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you know I go well we got Michael shre

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at you you represent us in a very

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straightforward documentarian historian

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type of way and with that comes a little

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bit of pressure do you feel that

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pressure that you are representing us as

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the straight guy I'm not really because

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what I try to do is I've tried to track

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my sources and I always back it up with

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either an aviation week space technology

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article a Jane's Defence weekly article

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or something that was stated by a

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Lockheed skunkworks engineer under the

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direction of Ben rich and so that's kind

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of the mandate that I followed and and

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and you are the when you look around the

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room you speak at a lot of events and

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you look around the room do you feel

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that there is a generation gap out there

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or do you think that we're you know

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still pulling up you know the younger

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generations into our little community

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and we're keeping the information and

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the knowledge flowing um the only way I

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could respond to that is that the the

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research that I follow is a very finite

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laser-focused part of ufology the

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tracking down and the exposure of these

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classified unacknowledged special access

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programs specifically the aerospace

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vehicles from the what's called the

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aerospace alley going from San Diego all

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the way up to Los Angeles heading north

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toward Lancaster Palmdale and then

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ending up at Edwards Air Force Base so

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that's the corridor that I focus in on

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and so it's just a very laser precision

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fine-tuned area of research and do you

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have do you have the reason why I'm

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bringing this up do you feel that the

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younger generation ones younger than you

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and I are right do they contact you too

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as well and are they feeding you

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information and you know and do they

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follow what you do I would say just a

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little bit not too much

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I think it's primarily gauged to people

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who were working on tacit blue program

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grab blue program f-117 we're going back

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to 1977 here and perhaps even earlier in

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some cases so this is the crowd that

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that I'm focusing in on yeah and things

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are starting to change with the

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aerospace industry too as well

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and as we start to move forward in this

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conversation that so many sightings have

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gone on over the years where we have you

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know the classic flying saucers in the

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late 40s and 50s and cigar shaped craft

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and it you know different iterations of

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things lately

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certainly through the 80s and 90s a lot

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of black triangles and the tr-3b and so

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forth

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can some of that be attributed to black

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ops where we just didn't know what we

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were looking at well interesting you

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mentioned that Jimmy let me kick this

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off here with a very brief quote from

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President Lincoln okay and we've heard

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this before but I think it's worth

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mentioning again here and this is

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Abraham Lincoln's quote he says you may

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fool all the people some of the time you

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can even fool some of the people all of

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the time but you can't fool all of the

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people all of the time so the point I'm

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making is you just can't fool us anymore

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we're not going to be fooled by these

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crafts that they're putting up here and

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it's just my personal assessment that

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85% perhaps 90% of what people are

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reporting as extraterrestrial UFOs are

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in point to affect our own deep black

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programs and we're not going to be

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fooled anymore I just want to state that

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right up front

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and give you some examples here of these

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use app programs under that category

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we've got the Hudson Valley boomerang

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that's 1982 to 1989 we've got the

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southern Illinois flying triangle that's

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January 5th 2000 and we've got the

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Belgium triangle that's 1989 to 1990 now

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under that umbrella of those tier 3

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level programs right to use a term by

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mark McCandlish we have something that

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they actually call this Jimmy they have

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a term for these technologies let me

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break this down for you in three ways

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and number one they call this called ace

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in the hole technology number two this

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is called trump card technologies and

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number three they're called Silver

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Bullet technologies so if you hear about

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a skirmish in a third world country or

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something or a small war or something

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they are not going to bring out the ace

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in the hole technology for something as

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petty as that this is reserved for a

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completely different application we

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certainly did that in Iraq the first the

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first Gulf War and when that f-117 was

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shot down and I know you remember that

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and and the the the crowd that was

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around the the pieces of the craft and

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there it was for the first time the

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official recognition of the f-117 but

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the f-117 like he said tacit blue and so

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forth was in research and development

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for a long time prior to that wasn't it

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well first Lou in 1977 that was have

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blues first flight so between 1977 and

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November the 10th of 1988 when the Air

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Force acknowledged the existence of the

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f-117

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the program has already been going on

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for over a decade and not one security

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leak everybody at the skunk works all

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those great skunk workers working under

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been rich in Burbank where you are they

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successfully kept that under wraps for

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over 10 years and and they can keep a

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secret when they want to do not kid

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yourself do not underestimate the power

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of what they can do yeah all the

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development you

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or the u2 and the sr-71 yf-12 way and of

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course f-117 right here in Burbank

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you're right people are driving up

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Hollywood Way you and I were talking

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about this earlier but driving up

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Hollywood Way right over the fence 20

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yards from the road the most secret

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stuff in the country is going on and and

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and outside or kids playing football and

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you know nobody knows that's right

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that's right so when we're talking about

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these programs we should highlight the

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contractors involved now there's

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certainly more than three but the three

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primary contractor is absolutely

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Lockheed Martin Northrop Grumman Boeing

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phantom works and as we mentioned before

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the aerospace le starts from San Diego

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goes all the way north to Edwards Air

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Force Base and when you take that trip

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and you can head 14 North you've made

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this trip before Jimmy you'll end up at

543
00:25:27,060 --> 00:25:24,480
Air Force plant 42 Palmdale that is

544
00:25:29,550 --> 00:25:27,070
essentially the heart of the military

545
00:25:31,890 --> 00:25:29,560
industrial complex Air Force plant 42 is

546
00:25:35,010 --> 00:25:31,900
really where a lot of the action is

547
00:25:38,990 --> 00:25:35,020
taking place at during that 80s

548
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:39,000
timeframe 82 to 89 Rockwell had a

549
00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:41,170
laboratory the Lockheed certainly has

550
00:25:47,910 --> 00:25:44,110
plant 10 there and just to drive the

551
00:25:50,370 --> 00:25:47,920
point further here page 186 196 of a

552
00:25:53,820 --> 00:25:50,380
brand new book called the projects of

553
00:25:56,580 --> 00:25:53,830
skunk works by Steve pace page 196 it

554
00:25:59,700 --> 00:25:56,590
says quote about 80 percent of the

555
00:26:01,950 --> 00:25:59,710
group's work is classified the other 20%

556
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:01,960
we can talk about this is Rob Weiss

557
00:26:07,710 --> 00:26:04,480
skunk works VP and general manager so

558
00:26:10,050 --> 00:26:07,720
already the cards are stacked against us

559
00:26:12,330 --> 00:26:10,060
80 percent of what the skunk works does

560
00:26:13,410 --> 00:26:12,340
in Palmdale is completely classified

561
00:26:15,450 --> 00:26:13,420
black programs

562
00:26:18,150 --> 00:26:15,460
yeah the 20% they can talk about are

563
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:18,160
like tire sizes right you could write

564
00:26:23,490 --> 00:26:20,650
that that's all you're going to know now

565
00:26:24,930 --> 00:26:23,500
I want to touch upon this and then we're

566
00:26:26,970 --> 00:26:24,940
going to we need to go backwards I want

567
00:26:30,690 --> 00:26:26,980
to talk about you growing up and how you

568
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:30,700
got into this but the the quotes from

569
00:26:37,340 --> 00:26:33,760
been rich and certainly his book that

570
00:26:42,210 --> 00:26:37,350
came out 95 was an extraordinary read

571
00:26:44,250 --> 00:26:42,220
but the the technology for something

572
00:26:46,890 --> 00:26:44,260
like stealth in the mid set

573
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:46,900
these is crazy and the development going

574
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:49,809
into the b2 and the electrostatic the

575
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:51,490
way that the way the way the and you

576
00:27:00,210 --> 00:26:54,130
know all of new antigravity technology

577
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:00,220
right is is some of this technology from

578
00:27:07,940 --> 00:27:03,490
ET aces from downed aircraft and is this

579
00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:07,950
stuff that that that we only know about

580
00:27:14,220 --> 00:27:11,110
that's a very good question now to make

581
00:27:15,630 --> 00:27:14,230
that bridge that's difficult to make

582
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:15,640
that bridge now I'm not saying that

583
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:18,960
bridge is impossible to construct but

584
00:27:24,210 --> 00:27:22,090
there's nothing in the been rich

585
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:24,220
collection that I have that can bridge

586
00:27:30,650 --> 00:27:27,970
this that gap been rich did say that he

587
00:27:33,330 --> 00:27:30,660
was a believer in so was Kelly Johnson

588
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:33,340
John Andrews did write back and asked

589
00:27:36,060 --> 00:27:35,530
him you know what exactly did he mean by

590
00:27:38,580 --> 00:27:36,070
that

591
00:27:41,220 --> 00:27:38,590
been rich came back and said yes I'm a

592
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:41,230
believer in both categories I believe

593
00:27:45,539 --> 00:27:42,490
everything is possible

594
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:45,549
many of our man-made UFOs were unfunded

595
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:47,770
opportunities be cautious been rich

596
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:50,320
essentially is what been stated so now

597
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:52,090
he didn't say that it was reverse

598
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,130
engineered from crashing spacecraft he

599
00:27:58,919 --> 00:27:56,799
was just open to the idea that there

600
00:28:00,930 --> 00:27:58,929
were both man-made and extraterrestrial

601
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:00,940
UFOs and that's the most conservatively

602
00:28:07,980 --> 00:28:05,049
I can put it how many years behind are

603
00:28:09,930 --> 00:28:07,990
we in that what what what is it that we

604
00:28:12,690 --> 00:28:09,940
know about because we you know Ben's

605
00:28:15,060 --> 00:28:12,700
famous quote out here at UCLA when he

606
00:28:17,220 --> 00:28:15,070
said we have the technology to take e.t

607
00:28:19,620 --> 00:28:17,230
home that's a pretty extraordinary

608
00:28:21,930 --> 00:28:19,630
statement and so is that fifty years

609
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:21,940
ahead twenty years ahead and is he

610
00:28:28,260 --> 00:28:24,850
referencing ET technology with with a

611
00:28:30,390 --> 00:28:28,270
sentence like that well interesting you

612
00:28:32,850 --> 00:28:30,400
mentioned that because a good friend of

613
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:32,860
mine Jim Goodall is also another black

614
00:28:38,250 --> 00:28:35,650
aircraft researcher he was essentially

615
00:28:40,409 --> 00:28:38,260
the last aviation historian to speak to

616
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:40,419
been rich alive he was dying of cancer

617
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:43,090
in the 93 timeframe this is when he gave

618
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:45,610
his lectures this was kind of his last

619
00:28:50,610 --> 00:28:47,440
chance to reach out to the public

620
00:28:55,620 --> 00:28:50,620
he died in 95 now just before Ben passed

621
00:28:58,109 --> 00:28:55,630
away I John Jim Goodall was able and

622
00:29:01,289 --> 00:28:58,119
successful to get in a telephone call

623
00:29:03,689 --> 00:29:01,299
to been rich and been rich told Jim good

624
00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:03,699
all over the phone quote she and we have

625
00:29:08,369 --> 00:29:06,129
things in the Nevada desert that are 50

626
00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:08,379
years beyond what you can comprehend if

627
00:29:12,449 --> 00:29:10,329
you've seen it on Star Wars or Star Trek

628
00:29:13,409 --> 00:29:12,459
we've been there done that or decided it

629
00:29:15,389 --> 00:29:13,419
wasn't worth the effort

630
00:29:17,609 --> 00:29:15,399
directly from Ben rich so according to

631
00:29:19,949 --> 00:29:17,619
Ben rich they have things in the Nevada

632
00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:19,959
desert that are 50 years beyond what we

633
00:29:24,749 --> 00:29:22,089
can even comprehend now that's coming

634
00:29:26,489 --> 00:29:24,759
from Ben rich which is probably the

635
00:29:28,769 --> 00:29:26,499
highest source of all right now the

636
00:29:31,079 --> 00:29:28,779
other thing to keep in mind too is the

637
00:29:33,659 --> 00:29:31,089
AI double-a organization this is the

638
00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:33,669
American Institute for Aeronautics and

639
00:29:39,479 --> 00:29:36,129
Astronautics the reference for this is

640
00:29:42,449 --> 00:29:39,489
AI double-a technical paper published on

641
00:29:44,369 --> 00:29:42,459
September 7th 1988 just read a real

642
00:29:46,949 --> 00:29:44,379
quick thing this is from Ben rich

643
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:46,959
directly now quote I wish I could tell

644
00:29:51,329 --> 00:29:48,609
you about the projects we are currently

645
00:29:52,259 --> 00:29:51,339
working on they are both fascinating and

646
00:29:54,929 --> 00:29:52,269
fantastic

647
00:29:57,329 --> 00:29:54,939
they call for technologies once only

648
00:29:59,879 --> 00:29:57,339
dreamed of by science fiction writers

649
00:30:01,379 --> 00:29:59,889
directly from Ben rich so there you go

650
00:30:03,209 --> 00:30:01,389
right there I mean there's no telling

651
00:30:07,949 --> 00:30:03,219
what we have at this point we could be

652
00:30:10,619 --> 00:30:07,959
50 60 70 years ahead well and you with

653
00:30:13,739 --> 00:30:10,629
all of your research into underground

654
00:30:19,109 --> 00:30:13,749
and above-ground bases and the special

655
00:30:22,619 --> 00:30:19,119
access programs the rumor wants to be

656
00:30:24,719 --> 00:30:22,629
you know crashed stuff from Roswell or

657
00:30:27,779 --> 00:30:24,729
other downed aircraft but what I find

658
00:30:29,459 --> 00:30:27,789
interesting here Michael is that no

659
00:30:33,089 --> 00:30:29,469
other countries in the world have the

660
00:30:36,959 --> 00:30:33,099
aircraft that we do they just don't it

661
00:30:39,089 --> 00:30:36,969
seems like we have some very very

662
00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:39,099
privileged information that nobody else

663
00:30:44,009 --> 00:30:41,529
has had you know and like I said nobody

664
00:30:45,779 --> 00:30:44,019
else has got a b-2 bomber right no but

665
00:30:48,449 --> 00:30:45,789
nobody else has got this doubt the the

666
00:30:51,209 --> 00:30:48,459
the aircraft that we have so it feels

667
00:30:55,289 --> 00:30:51,219
like we've had some fairly privileged

668
00:30:57,209 --> 00:30:55,299
information from somewhere I can't rule

669
00:30:59,129 --> 00:30:57,219
it out you know what I can't rule it out

670
00:31:02,399 --> 00:30:59,139
but I have to take a conservative

671
00:31:03,749 --> 00:31:02,409
approach until we can make that absolute

672
00:31:06,659 --> 00:31:03,759
link and I'm not saying that link

673
00:31:08,519 --> 00:31:06,669
doesn't exist but I'm just going to you

674
00:31:10,529 --> 00:31:08,529
know stay within that conservative

675
00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:10,539
approach and and be able to back it up

676
00:31:13,620 --> 00:31:11,710
with a V

677
00:31:15,899 --> 00:31:13,630
and weak articles and I want to just

678
00:31:18,210 --> 00:31:15,909
kind of bring your attention to a book

679
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:18,220
called the Pentagon propaganda machine

680
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:21,490
this is by Senator JW Fulbright I'll

681
00:31:25,919 --> 00:31:23,890
publish in 1970 he says quote the

682
00:31:28,380 --> 00:31:25,929
greatest threat to American national

683
00:31:31,169 --> 00:31:28,390
security is the American military

684
00:31:33,870 --> 00:31:31,179
establishment and the non holds barred

685
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:33,880
type of logic it uses to justify its

686
00:31:38,460 --> 00:31:36,730
zillion dollar existence this sums it up

687
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:38,470
totally this is what we're actually

688
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:40,720
dealing with here this is the problem

689
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:43,570
we're going after anything goes with

690
00:31:48,899 --> 00:31:46,000
these defense contractors Jane's Defence

691
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:48,909
weekly talks about it Aviation Week

692
00:31:54,779 --> 00:31:52,240
Space Technology December 24th 1990 they

693
00:31:56,510 --> 00:31:54,789
talk about it they say quote eight years

694
00:31:58,769 --> 00:31:56,520
of the Reagan administration in

695
00:32:00,889 --> 00:31:58,779
Washington were very good to the black

696
00:32:03,779 --> 00:32:00,899
world so that's what we're talking

697
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:03,789
multi-billion dollar programs pumping

698
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:05,289
into these black programs no

699
00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:07,120
congressional oversight no public

700
00:32:12,810 --> 00:32:10,510
scrutiny thirteen with my last calculi

701
00:32:13,740 --> 00:32:12,820
keep adding on to it right it was nine

702
00:32:18,899 --> 00:32:13,750
it was ten DIA

703
00:32:21,570 --> 00:32:18,909
13 trillion dollars missing where did it

704
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:21,580
go when we we were talking about the

705
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:24,730
x-37b a little bit earlier that is

706
00:32:29,130 --> 00:32:27,010
certainly evidence right there publicly

707
00:32:31,260 --> 00:32:29,140
of a secret space program right you want

708
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:31,270
evidence of it I'll give you the x-37b

709
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:34,090
and it just landed after two years in

710
00:32:39,630 --> 00:32:36,610
space we know virtually absolutely

711
00:32:42,510 --> 00:32:39,640
nothing about that program and who is

712
00:32:45,210 --> 00:32:42,520
behind it is that where this 13 trillion

713
00:32:47,399 --> 00:32:45,220
dollars is going well I'm so glad you

714
00:32:50,460 --> 00:32:47,409
mentioned the x-37b because I have it

715
00:32:53,610 --> 00:32:50,470
I'm very good very good word from Q

716
00:32:56,639 --> 00:32:53,620
reliable sources that when you talk

717
00:32:59,549 --> 00:32:56,649
about the explains talk about the x1

718
00:33:02,430 --> 00:32:59,559
October 14 to 1947 when Chuck Yeager

719
00:33:05,370 --> 00:33:02,440
broke the sound barrier the X to the X

720
00:33:07,769 --> 00:33:05,380
33 and you work your way up to something

721
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:07,779
in the X 50 range this is what I was

722
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:10,480
told when you hear about an X plane

723
00:33:15,870 --> 00:33:13,210
always remember that there are twice as

724
00:33:18,180 --> 00:33:15,880
many explains is actually being reported

725
00:33:20,820 --> 00:33:18,190
so if you hear about an X 40 we're

726
00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:20,830
already at X 80 if you hear about an X

727
00:33:25,170 --> 00:33:23,919
50 we're already past X 100 so there's

728
00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:25,180
twice as many x-play

729
00:33:30,750 --> 00:33:27,310
as being reported no question no

730
00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:30,760
question have you let's go back to your

731
00:33:34,740 --> 00:33:33,310
childhood before we hit this break did

732
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:34,750
you ever see anything strange in the sky

733
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:36,490
that you couldn't identify I'm an

734
00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:39,730
aviation guy I can look up and name any

735
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,310
helicopter any airplane any time drop of

736
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:44,320
a hat you're that you're that person - I

737
00:33:48,180 --> 00:33:46,720
get that but when you were younger did

738
00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:48,190
you see something in the sky that you

739
00:33:53,820 --> 00:33:51,310
couldn't explain or identify honestly

740
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:53,830
Jimmy I have not I have not how about as

741
00:33:59,010 --> 00:33:57,250
an adult um technically I have not and

742
00:34:01,020 --> 00:33:59,020
I've kept my eye open too and I've gone

743
00:34:03,330 --> 00:34:01,030
to some of these spooky places but no

744
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:03,340
I've never seen anything I did see one

745
00:34:09,390 --> 00:34:07,090
thing at Groom Lake around 97 but I

746
00:34:11,670 --> 00:34:09,400
don't know what it was why - be fair and

747
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:11,680
honest oh well that's interesting what

748
00:34:17,670 --> 00:34:15,090
did you see a groom like I saw that same

749
00:34:19,740 --> 00:34:17,680
whitish yellow light that everybody else

750
00:34:22,170 --> 00:34:19,750
recorded which I think could have been a

751
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:22,180
flare now this is this was on a

752
00:34:28,140 --> 00:34:25,810
Wednesday night and this is when when

753
00:34:29,820 --> 00:34:28,150
you zoom in you can see that Batman

754
00:34:32,130 --> 00:34:29,830
figure and I think that's an element of

755
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:32,140
the camera focal length zooming in

756
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:34,240
that's why you get that it wasn't in a

757
00:34:38,220 --> 00:34:36,130
UFO I can't I don't know what it was it

758
00:34:39,540 --> 00:34:38,230
just was unknown so that's the extent of

759
00:34:41,910 --> 00:34:39,550
my sighting Wow

760
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:41,920
well one of these days I've got to get

761
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:45,370
you out with us now I have had a few

762
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:47,530
just a few you know not hundreds or

763
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:50,170
anything like that but I've had four

764
00:34:57,900 --> 00:34:53,650
things that happened all arbitrary

765
00:35:00,120 --> 00:34:57,910
you know just one-off things - three

766
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:00,130
things my wife was with me but I wasn't

767
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:03,490
with a big crowd of people and then we

768
00:35:07,610 --> 00:35:05,200
had the the mass sighting last year a

769
00:35:14,460 --> 00:35:07,620
contact in the desert now backing up

770
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:14,470
over the Monterey Bay in 1995-96 I saw

771
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:15,760
this black triangle

772
00:35:19,650 --> 00:35:17,890
I was with four friends were taking

773
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:19,660
pictures anyway make a long story very

774
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:22,240
very short it zipped across this guy

775
00:35:27,330 --> 00:35:24,640
probably 50 60 thousand feet you know

776
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:27,340
just a little dot but it was hauling

777
00:35:33,630 --> 00:35:31,330
balls it was moving back when the Aurora

778
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:33,640
you know was who was being talked about

779
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:37,730
so I'm seeing this and it was going from

780
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:40,640
west to east like over my head but then

781
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:44,210
it stopped and it was it was moving I

782
00:35:50,170 --> 00:35:47,359
mean like moving this black dot and then

783
00:35:51,970 --> 00:35:50,180
stopped and then sat there for a couple

784
00:35:54,730 --> 00:35:51,980
of seconds and then shot straight up

785
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:54,740
into the blue sky and disappeared it was

786
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:56,090
a three or four o'clock in the afternoon

787
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:59,200
now I did get a picture of this

788
00:36:05,710 --> 00:36:01,520
excuse me and the picture is a black

789
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:05,720
triangle a wrong I'm sorry a black

790
00:36:11,530 --> 00:36:08,330
pyramid and the direction it was flying

791
00:36:13,180 --> 00:36:11,540
in the flat side not the pointed side

792
00:36:16,690 --> 00:36:13,190
was you know what I mean

793
00:36:18,849 --> 00:36:16,700
children know aerodynamics to this thing

794
00:36:21,820 --> 00:36:18,859
at all but anyway it shot up straight

795
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:21,830
into the sky now when I tell you

796
00:36:26,740 --> 00:36:24,800
something like that coming from me does

797
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:26,750
that tell you that I'm seeing some kind

798
00:36:31,780 --> 00:36:29,450
of satellite being position or does it

799
00:36:35,230 --> 00:36:31,790
sound et ish or does it sound like

800
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:35,240
something that could be attributed to a

801
00:36:41,470 --> 00:36:38,960
black ops project well let me give you a

802
00:36:43,690 --> 00:36:41,480
quick example when you see a craft such

803
00:36:45,490 --> 00:36:43,700
as Hudson Valley boomerangs such as

804
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:45,500
southern Illinois flying triangle and

805
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:49,040
you see tubes pipes and cylinders on the

806
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:51,040
bottom and you hear a low-frequency

807
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:53,570
electrical humming noise like an

808
00:36:58,720 --> 00:36:55,850
electrical transformer or like a sewing

809
00:37:00,460 --> 00:36:58,730
machine or even like a machine shop

810
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:00,470
running in the background right and you

811
00:37:05,710 --> 00:37:03,410
have a historical legacy of 12 separate

812
00:37:07,780 --> 00:37:05,720
sightings that have this similar under

813
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:07,790
structure and we're talking talking

814
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:10,730
about super chilling of a superconductor

815
00:37:15,460 --> 00:37:14,240
and liquid mercury plasma vortexes we

816
00:37:17,980 --> 00:37:15,470
could be looking at a man-made

817
00:37:21,310 --> 00:37:17,990
technology just for the fact alone of

818
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:21,320
the eyewitness sightings describing what

819
00:37:25,090 --> 00:37:23,570
they have seen here absolutely and what

820
00:37:28,359 --> 00:37:25,100
what you may have seen I've got a case

821
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:28,369
in my files of a gentleman who was going

822
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:29,359
to work in the morning

823
00:37:35,050 --> 00:37:32,510
this is around 1994 and he was on a

824
00:37:37,570 --> 00:37:35,060
motorcycle motorcycle stopped dead he

825
00:37:40,540 --> 00:37:37,580
looked up and all he saw was a gigantic

826
00:37:42,910 --> 00:37:40,550
big square above him it had very

827
00:37:45,370 --> 00:37:42,920
powerful spotlights beaming down the

828
00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:45,380
whole bottom structure looked like a

829
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,510
Midas muffler plant that was turned

830
00:37:51,550 --> 00:37:49,520
upside down it had all these tubes and

831
00:37:54,130 --> 00:37:51,560
pipes and cylinders sticking out

832
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:54,140
he eventually walked his motorcycle

833
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:56,450
three hours back to where he was going

834
00:38:00,370 --> 00:37:58,010
because it wouldn't run at that time

835
00:38:02,580 --> 00:38:00,380
when investigators got to him two weeks

836
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:02,590
later this gentleman brought out a

837
00:38:08,050 --> 00:38:05,210
lighter and second he brought that thing

838
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:08,060
out of his out of his pocket the lighter

839
00:38:12,130 --> 00:38:10,250
just jumped out of this guy's hand and

840
00:38:14,290 --> 00:38:12,140
went right to the gas tank of that

841
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:14,300
motorcycle the whole motorcycle had been

842
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:16,610
magnetized Wow

843
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:19,490
so yep that was a true story uh they've

844
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:21,290
got the technology they have made the

845
00:38:24,250 --> 00:38:22,640
breakthrough you were talking a little

846
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:24,260
bit earlier about how to track the

847
00:38:29,050 --> 00:38:27,200
funding and where this is going you as a

848
00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:29,060
taxpayer and anyone listening to this

849
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:31,730
broadcast they can do this as American

850
00:38:36,430 --> 00:38:34,250
taxpayer I have done this you can walk

851
00:38:39,220 --> 00:38:36,440
right into the Library of Congress in

852
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:39,230
downtown Washington DC and you can talk

853
00:38:44,260 --> 00:38:41,570
to the reference librarian there and you

854
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:44,270
can ask for something called Department

855
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:49,130
of Defense rdt any programs are one okay

856
00:38:54,970 --> 00:38:52,130
our DTE programs are one and it's kind

857
00:38:56,890 --> 00:38:54,980
of a thick dry boring looking document

858
00:38:58,600 --> 00:38:56,900
they have one for the army they have one

859
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:58,610
for the Air Force that can work for the

860
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:01,280
Navy it's all compiled together within

861
00:39:07,060 --> 00:39:04,730
this document they have program element

862
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:07,070
numbers that tells you what number the

863
00:39:11,260 --> 00:39:09,170
program is and they tell you kind of a

864
00:39:13,870 --> 00:39:11,270
name of the program so the bottom line

865
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:13,880
is you take the total amounts and you

866
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:16,400
subtract the knowns and what you're left

867
00:39:21,460 --> 00:39:19,010
with is the black program so that's how

868
00:39:23,830 --> 00:39:21,470
you track these programs the problem is

869
00:39:26,020 --> 00:39:23,840
they don't give you specific details on

870
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:26,030
what that program is like here's one

871
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:28,970
senior year forest green I've got the

872
00:39:32,740 --> 00:39:30,800
program element number but they don't

873
00:39:35,050 --> 00:39:32,750
give you specific details of what it is

874
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:35,060
that's how you track the budget and you

875
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:36,800
can do that as an American taxpayer

876
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:40,570
anybody can well who has the knowledge

877
00:39:45,580 --> 00:39:43,850
right if you're going over you know

878
00:39:48,270 --> 00:39:45,590
you're turning over an administration

879
00:39:51,340 --> 00:39:48,280
every four years maybe every eight right

880
00:39:53,770 --> 00:39:51,350
so that's that see that's the public

881
00:39:56,110 --> 00:39:53,780
side of it those are the politicians the

882
00:39:58,980 --> 00:39:56,120
career people behind it are working on

883
00:40:02,380 --> 00:39:58,990
this for 20 30 40 50 years at a crack

884
00:40:04,660 --> 00:40:02,390
who are they who has the knowledge of

885
00:40:05,230 --> 00:40:04,670
this somebody is planning budgets and

886
00:40:08,140 --> 00:40:05,240
spending the

887
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:08,150
money right okay well one way to answer

888
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:10,730
that is to be very cognizant of the

889
00:40:16,540 --> 00:40:13,760
wording that these guys use

890
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:16,550
okay the wording is extremely important

891
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:19,310
I want to ask you a question Jimmy um at

892
00:40:24,370 --> 00:40:22,160
the Pentagon what do they call a hammer

893
00:40:27,460 --> 00:40:24,380
Jimmy what do they call a hammer at the

894
00:40:29,380 --> 00:40:27,470
Pentagon I have no idea okay

895
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:29,390
so anybody listening out there think

896
00:40:33,070 --> 00:40:31,250
about this in your mind's eye what do

897
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:33,080
they call a hammer at the Pentagon now

898
00:40:38,290 --> 00:40:34,880
this is this is actually what they call

899
00:40:42,010 --> 00:40:38,300
it they call it a quote omnidirectional

900
00:40:44,050 --> 00:40:42,020
impact generator I'm a directional uncle

901
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:44,060
is that the biggest word magic you've

902
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:46,610
ever heard any wonder they can get away

903
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:50,210
with spending $400 for a hammer $600 for

904
00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:51,650
a toilet seat cover

905
00:40:56,290 --> 00:40:54,710
it's the wording that counts that's very

906
00:40:58,240 --> 00:40:56,300
interesting we got to take a break right

907
00:40:59,530 --> 00:40:58,250
here Michael that that's good I feel

908
00:41:02,140 --> 00:40:59,540
like I just learned something right

909
00:41:04,210 --> 00:41:02,150
there our guest tonight Michael shraddh

910
00:41:05,770 --> 00:41:04,220
this is fade to black now we're going to

911
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:05,780
go through everything tonight now when

912
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:08,000
we come back I want still haven't talked

913
00:41:11,650 --> 00:41:10,010
about where Michael grew up but we're

914
00:41:13,690 --> 00:41:11,660
going to jump out to Hudson Valley and

915
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:13,700
we're going to work our way east to west

916
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:15,200
this is fade to black our guest tonight

917
00:41:19,630 --> 00:41:16,880
Michael Trat I'll be right back

918
00:41:21,609 --> 00:41:19,640
oh go to the gallery section for Michael

919
00:41:22,990 --> 00:41:21,619
on our website and check out the images

920
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:23,000
we'll talk about that too when we come

921
00:41:30,850 --> 00:41:23,930
back stay with us

922
00:41:38,740 --> 00:41:30,860
[Music]

923
00:41:42,740 --> 00:41:40,610
this is fade to black

924
00:41:46,430 --> 00:41:42,750
with Jimmy Church on the game changer

925
00:41:48,250 --> 00:41:46,440
radio network at K GRA the global radio

926
00:41:51,530 --> 00:41:48,260
Alliance

927
00:41:54,860 --> 00:41:51,540
this is kg are a digital broadcasting

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station Salt Lake City Utah Van Buren

929
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:04,800
Arkansas Jimmy check hi this is Ray sobs

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00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:06,330
here repping the planet and you're

931
00:42:11,780 --> 00:42:09,090
listening to my good friend Jimmy Church

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00:42:14,180 --> 00:42:11,790
fade to black on the GameChanger network

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00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:14,190
and the kg are a digital broadcast

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00:42:20,810 --> 00:42:18,420
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935
00:42:24,020 --> 00:42:20,820
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936
00:42:26,540 --> 00:42:24,030
don't know me Jimmy I'm only little I'm

937
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938
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the honey brothers what is your office

939
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00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:33,630
hey I'm Adrian Grenier and I'm Oracle

941
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where the honey brothers and you listen

942
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:42,060
to Jimmy Church a revolution what's up

943
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:45,450
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961
00:43:38,570 --> 00:43:34,140
Church radio.com click on the studio

962
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,670
I'm getting older and noticing that my

963
00:43:44,180 --> 00:43:42,480
body just doesn't work as well as it

964
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:44,190
used to so I like to keep fit as

965
00:43:48,140 --> 00:43:46,050
possible by hitting the gym a few times

966
00:43:50,510 --> 00:43:48,150
a week recently I started having a

967
00:43:52,250 --> 00:43:50,520
nagging bicep pain and it got so bad I

968
00:43:54,140 --> 00:43:52,260
couldn't even lift the weights when I

969
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,150
was complaining about it to a friend he

970
00:43:58,580 --> 00:43:56,400
told me about angio prim he said

971
00:44:00,770 --> 00:43:58,590
chelation helps remove toxins heavy

972
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:00,780
metals and cholesterol in veins and

973
00:44:04,820 --> 00:44:02,730
arteries that may cause blockages you

974
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:04,830
know after just one week of taking angio

975
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:07,410
Primm the pain was gone and now I'm back

976
00:44:11,450 --> 00:44:09,450
in the gym full strength scientific

977
00:44:13,940 --> 00:44:11,460
research proves the active ingredient in

978
00:44:16,580 --> 00:44:13,950
angiogram has superior oral chelation

979
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:16,590
action that helps promote cardiovascular

980
00:44:23,330 --> 00:44:18,810
health so to learn more go to angio

981
00:44:25,370 --> 00:44:23,340
primm calm that's ang IOP or i am calm

982
00:44:27,650 --> 00:44:25,380
or talk to a trained consultant call

983
00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:27,660
angio primm toll free at eight seven

984
00:44:31,850 --> 00:44:29,910
seven eight eight to seventy two twenty

985
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:31,860
one you'll feel better with more energy

986
00:44:39,530 --> 00:44:35,760
call 877 882 seventy two twenty one or

987
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:39,540
go to the web site NGO prim calm this is

988
00:44:43,370 --> 00:44:41,490
Micah Hank's to the gray lien report and

989
00:44:45,140 --> 00:44:43,380
you're listening to Jimmy church on fade

990
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991
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993
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994
00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:12,270
all right welcome back fade to black I'm

995
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:13,390
gonna go see beeg Church our guest

996
00:45:20,670 --> 00:45:16,500
tonight Michael strats ride the pilot

997
00:45:22,110 --> 00:45:20,680
historian public speaker he makes me

998
00:45:24,450 --> 00:45:22,120
look smart and that's all that's

999
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:24,460
important here all right let's get that

1000
00:45:29,810 --> 00:45:27,130
we'll get one thing straight now over at

1001
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:29,820
Jimmy Church radio calm if you click on

1002
00:45:34,980 --> 00:45:33,280
Michael's name at the top the post click

1003
00:45:37,650 --> 00:45:34,990
on that it'll take you over to his page

1004
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:37,660
and there's a gallery there click on the

1005
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:40,090
gallery button and it will open up I'm

1006
00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:43,170
going to open it up now I've got it and

1007
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:45,910
we're going to start off here Michael

1008
00:45:54,060 --> 00:45:51,730
with the Hudson Valley UFO flap now it

1009
00:45:57,210 --> 00:45:54,070
went on for a long time this wasn't a

1010
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:57,220
one-night thing thousands and thousands

1011
00:46:03,780 --> 00:46:00,880
of witnesses and you've got some

1012
00:46:07,470 --> 00:46:03,790
illustrations here of it now let's kind

1013
00:46:09,530 --> 00:46:07,480
of start there what kicked off in Hudson

1014
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:09,540
Valley and what was the first sighting

1015
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:12,250
first sighting actually took place on

1016
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:16,210
December 31st 1980 - this is coinciding

1017
00:46:20,460 --> 00:46:19,330
with the beginning of the Reagan buildup

1018
00:46:22,110 --> 00:46:20,470
so I always thought that that was

1019
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:22,120
interesting so that was the origin point

1020
00:46:26,850 --> 00:46:24,490
of the Hudson Valley boomerang now when

1021
00:46:30,330 --> 00:46:26,860
we talk about these sightings we're

1022
00:46:32,970 --> 00:46:30,340
talking about at least 25,000

1023
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:32,980
eyewitnesses between that time frame 82

1024
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:35,410
to 89 right what they're reporting Jimmy

1025
00:46:42,780 --> 00:46:39,570
is a large in most cases a large silent

1026
00:46:45,390 --> 00:46:42,790
Boomerang v-shaped craft that can hover

1027
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:45,400
over the Taconic State Parkway hover

1028
00:46:50,610 --> 00:46:48,160
over populated areas rivers lakes

1029
00:46:53,730 --> 00:46:50,620
reservoirs and here's the important

1030
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:53,740
point it can make in a 180 degree flat

1031
00:47:00,030 --> 00:46:57,130
turn like on a turntable and all the

1032
00:47:01,710 --> 00:47:00,040
lights remain equidistant many of the

1033
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:01,720
eyewitnesses indicated that the lights

1034
00:47:06,270 --> 00:47:03,730
look like they were embedded in concrete

1035
00:47:09,060 --> 00:47:06,280
as this thing turn now that's a that's a

1036
00:47:11,700 --> 00:47:09,070
movement that you can't get with ultra

1037
00:47:14,010 --> 00:47:11,710
lights flying in formation cessna152

1038
00:47:16,740 --> 00:47:14,020
flying information you're not going to

1039
00:47:19,020 --> 00:47:16,750
get that level of precision with planes

1040
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:19,030
flying information even the Blue Angels

1041
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:21,040
can't get that level of accuracy so

1042
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:22,880
that's essentially the fly

1043
00:47:27,309 --> 00:47:24,559
characteristics of what's being reported

1044
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:27,319
by the eyewitnesses now when everybody's

1045
00:47:30,849 --> 00:47:28,880
pulling over to the side of the road

1046
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:30,859
right on the highway up there and

1047
00:47:36,609 --> 00:47:33,920
they're seeing this you are going to

1048
00:47:39,339 --> 00:47:36,619
know the difference between ultra lights

1049
00:47:41,499 --> 00:47:39,349
with Christmas lights on it right that's

1050
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:41,509
right I just I feel that in my bones

1051
00:47:48,430 --> 00:47:44,240
right definitely it would be debunked at

1052
00:47:51,370 --> 00:47:48,440
the scene right much lutely what what

1053
00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:51,380
was it okay the ultra light debunking

1054
00:47:54,849 --> 00:47:52,910
part of it that they were somehow

1055
00:47:58,029 --> 00:47:54,859
fastened together and these guys were

1056
00:48:03,609 --> 00:47:58,039
precision ultra high fliers out there

1057
00:48:06,490 --> 00:48:03,619
with Christmas lights felt like an easy

1058
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:06,500
way out but there's no way that that

1059
00:48:10,329 --> 00:48:08,089
many people on the side of the road

1060
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:10,339
somebody would have said no it was ultra

1061
00:48:14,589 --> 00:48:12,410
lights and you would hear the the

1062
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:14,599
lawnmower engines wouldn't you well I

1063
00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:18,640
put together a huge reference works on

1064
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:21,950
absolutely destroying the ultra light 30

1065
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:24,170
keep in mind Jimmy this is at treetop

1066
00:48:28,900 --> 00:48:26,960
level right okay and this is at night

1067
00:48:30,940 --> 00:48:28,910
according to the FAA ultra lights are

1068
00:48:33,460 --> 00:48:30,950
not allowed to fly 30 minutes after

1069
00:48:35,049 --> 00:48:33,470
sunset a lot of these sightings in the

1070
00:48:37,390 --> 00:48:35,059
Hudson Valley area and we're talking

1071
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:37,400
about Connecticut to it like Danbury

1072
00:48:43,180 --> 00:48:39,710
Brewster New York that whole area

1073
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:43,190
they're multi-state area basically

1074
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:44,930
they're saying that it's at treetop

1075
00:48:50,019 --> 00:48:46,730
level you're not allowed to fly 30

1076
00:48:51,609 --> 00:48:50,029
minutes after a sunset so we're not

1077
00:48:53,980 --> 00:48:51,619
talking about ultra lights here and

1078
00:48:55,779 --> 00:48:53,990
instead of me just telling you let me

1079
00:48:58,859 --> 00:48:55,789
give you the testimony of Monique

1080
00:49:00,880 --> 00:48:58,869
O'Driscoll she is one of the primary

1081
00:49:05,019 --> 00:49:00,890
eyewitnesses in this case she had a

1082
00:49:07,269 --> 00:49:05,029
sighting of a large craft on February 26

1083
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:07,279
1983 near Kent New York now this is her

1084
00:49:12,519 --> 00:49:09,410
statement quote I could see the

1085
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:12,529
underbelly part it's solid it had metal

1086
00:49:17,499 --> 00:49:15,049
type work like cross beams and tubular

1087
00:49:20,140 --> 00:49:17,509
things hanging down here and there I was

1088
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:20,150
so close I could have thrown a ball and

1089
00:49:24,220 --> 00:49:22,250
hit it this is from Monique O'Driscoll

1090
00:49:27,460 --> 00:49:24,230
and this is Philadelphia Inquirer

1091
00:49:30,789 --> 00:49:27,470
September 28 1984 and Jimmy this is the

1092
00:49:33,130 --> 00:49:30,799
same motif that I have seen throughout

1093
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:33,140
this case in many of the eyewitnesses

1094
00:49:36,610 --> 00:49:34,490
this is something that is stitched

1095
00:49:38,260 --> 00:49:36,620
through the fabric of this case

1096
00:49:40,810 --> 00:49:38,270
and any New Yorkers that might be

1097
00:49:43,090 --> 00:49:40,820
listening to this broadcast if you want

1098
00:49:45,010 --> 00:49:43,100
to know what the Hudson Valley boomerang

1099
00:49:46,780 --> 00:49:45,020
looked like just go over the George

1100
00:49:48,550 --> 00:49:46,790
Washington Bridge you can go into the

1101
00:49:50,770 --> 00:49:48,560
upper section or the lower section

1102
00:49:53,110 --> 00:49:50,780
you'll get the same result on the upper

1103
00:49:56,100 --> 00:49:53,120
section you'll see the two supporting

1104
00:49:59,890 --> 00:49:56,110
structure with all these cross beam

1105
00:50:02,200 --> 00:49:59,900
triangular diamond grid like girder work

1106
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:02,210
this is exactly what Monique O'Driscoll

1107
00:50:05,620 --> 00:50:04,010
is describing on the lower section on

1108
00:50:07,900 --> 00:50:05,630
the sides of the George Washington

1109
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:07,910
Bridge they have these supporting beams

1110
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:10,490
that go up in a triangular v-shaped

1111
00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:12,800
fashion that's what these eyewitnesses

1112
00:50:17,140 --> 00:50:14,510
are describing this is exactly what

1113
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:17,150
we're dealing with now everybody go over

1114
00:50:24,940 --> 00:50:19,010
to the gallery right now at your meter

1115
00:50:26,740 --> 00:50:24,950
to do comm for Michael and the top the

1116
00:50:29,980 --> 00:50:26,750
way that we have it laid out the top to

1117
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:29,990
middle images right there are the Hudson

1118
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:32,000
Valley boomerang illustrations from

1119
00:50:36,970 --> 00:50:34,880
Michael extraordinary stuff but when I

1120
00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:36,980
look at this the first thing that I need

1121
00:50:43,300 --> 00:50:40,310
to to ask you Michael if this is our

1122
00:50:46,270 --> 00:50:43,310
technology why do this over the Hudson

1123
00:50:48,460 --> 00:50:46,280
Valley for everybody to see huh well I'm

1124
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,470
glad you mentioned that because I just

1125
00:50:52,810 --> 00:50:50,960
got done giving a lecture Saturday at

1126
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:52,820
the Danbury Public Library and I

1127
00:51:00,090 --> 00:50:55,570
released what I think might be a viable

1128
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:00,100
possibility for this particular craft

1129
00:51:06,070 --> 00:51:03,440
just to get back to the sighting of Kent

1130
00:51:09,250 --> 00:51:06,080
New York when Monique was below this

1131
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:09,260
craft she said that the lights did not

1132
00:51:14,830 --> 00:51:12,170
haphazard lis flash but they flashed in

1133
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:14,840
sequence up and down the quote unquote

1134
00:51:19,900 --> 00:51:18,050
wings of this craft so the Reds would go

1135
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:19,910
off the Blues would go off the greens

1136
00:51:23,980 --> 00:51:21,770
would go off and then the whites would

1137
00:51:26,350 --> 00:51:23,990
go off this was in sequence up and down

1138
00:51:28,690 --> 00:51:26,360
the wing of this craft flying silently

1139
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:28,700
other people who were below this craft

1140
00:51:32,500 --> 00:51:30,800
on the Taconic State Parkway when they

1141
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:32,510
were directly below it and they looked

1142
00:51:38,020 --> 00:51:35,330
up inside the craft because they had

1143
00:51:39,790 --> 00:51:38,030
transparent panels they said it looked

1144
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:39,800
like a cross beam and girder

1145
00:51:44,860 --> 00:51:41,570
construction like a truss bridge so

1146
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:44,870
again we're looking at a very high

1147
00:51:50,620 --> 00:51:48,010
likely man-made technology perhaps a

1148
00:51:55,890 --> 00:51:50,630
semi-rigid lighter lighter

1149
00:51:59,890 --> 00:51:55,900
an airship type vehicle so gas-filled

1150
00:52:02,190 --> 00:51:59,900
perhaps gas filled but using either an

1151
00:52:05,289 --> 00:52:02,200
electric drive it expulsion system or

1152
00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:05,299
something with a superconductor because

1153
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:07,730
these tubes and pipes and cylinders

1154
00:52:14,499 --> 00:52:11,839
might be used as liquid nitrogen cooling

1155
00:52:17,859 --> 00:52:14,509
pipes for a superconductor that's what

1156
00:52:21,819 --> 00:52:17,869
we could be dealing with here now very

1157
00:52:24,130 --> 00:52:21,829
similar well at least in the description

1158
00:52:26,289 --> 00:52:24,140
and certainly what you've got here for

1159
00:52:28,690 --> 00:52:26,299
the Phoenix lights too as well so are we

1160
00:52:31,150 --> 00:52:28,700
looking at the same craft okay here's

1161
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:31,160
another thing when you talk about test

1162
00:52:37,450 --> 00:52:34,160
flights of classified aircraft they most

1163
00:52:39,579 --> 00:52:37,460
likely occur on Thursday nights if you

1164
00:52:41,980 --> 00:52:39,589
look at the reference works take a look

1165
00:52:43,749 --> 00:52:41,990
at the Aurora sightings and the early to

1166
00:52:47,319 --> 00:52:43,759
mid-1990s a they were always on a

1167
00:52:50,410 --> 00:52:47,329
Thursday night right on March 24th which

1168
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:50,420
was a Thursday night a massive sighting

1169
00:52:56,519 --> 00:52:52,880
was over the Taconic State Parkway just

1170
00:53:00,039 --> 00:52:56,529
24 hours earlier than that mass sighting

1171
00:53:02,349 --> 00:53:00,049
Ronald Reagan gave his SDI address to

1172
00:53:04,690 --> 00:53:02,359
the nation proposing the Star Wars

1173
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:04,700
program so I'm thinking is there a

1174
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:06,890
connection between these two events that

1175
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:10,000
was on a Thursday night March 13th 1997

1176
00:53:15,309 --> 00:53:12,650
the Phoenix lights that was on a

1177
00:53:17,890 --> 00:53:15,319
Thursday night as girl and now lie

1178
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:17,900
Thursday why do they drill down so hard

1179
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:20,480
on Thursday because Monday Tuesday

1180
00:53:27,009 --> 00:53:23,930
Wednesday is pre-flight Thursday's the

1181
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:27,019
test flight Friday's debrief Saturday

1182
00:53:31,450 --> 00:53:28,490
Sunday there's no one there so when you

1183
00:53:34,089 --> 00:53:31,460
hear about something going on during a

1184
00:53:35,170 --> 00:53:34,099
Thursday night it's almost guaranteed

1185
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:35,180
it's one of ours

1186
00:53:41,019 --> 00:53:38,089
what about Belgium then are you are you

1187
00:53:42,849 --> 00:53:41,029
suggesting that in the Belgium way that

1188
00:53:45,579 --> 00:53:42,859
that was a lot of Thursday nights as

1189
00:53:47,890 --> 00:53:45,589
well well if you look at the under

1190
00:53:50,799 --> 00:53:47,900
structure of the Hudson Valley boomerang

1191
00:53:53,559 --> 00:53:50,809
the Belgium triangle and you know the

1192
00:53:57,490 --> 00:53:53,569
January 5th 2000 southern Illinios

1193
00:54:00,999 --> 00:53:57,500
triangle they all retain a very similar

1194
00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:01,009
under structure they all have this cross

1195
00:54:04,059 --> 00:54:03,529
beam girder construction they have tubes

1196
00:54:06,370 --> 00:54:04,069
pipes

1197
00:54:08,199 --> 00:54:06,380
and cylinders as I mentioned before many

1198
00:54:10,449 --> 00:54:08,209
eyewitnesses stated that this looked

1199
00:54:13,749 --> 00:54:10,459
like a Midas muffler plant below it

1200
00:54:17,019 --> 00:54:13,759
right that's the case where f-16s were

1201
00:54:19,809 --> 00:54:17,029
scrambled there's no question and we can

1202
00:54:21,009 --> 00:54:19,819
even go back to what was procured under

1203
00:54:23,499 --> 00:54:21,019
Project Paperclip

1204
00:54:25,390 --> 00:54:23,509
and even things going on with the Bell

1205
00:54:28,420 --> 00:54:25,400
because they were talking about a

1206
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:28,430
counter rotating liquid mercury plasma

1207
00:54:34,299 --> 00:54:31,609
in a toroid doughnut right this is what

1208
00:54:36,099 --> 00:54:34,309
was seen on the bottom there was a

1209
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:36,109
bottom opening on the Hudson Valley

1210
00:54:41,259 --> 00:54:38,089
boomerang this could be what we're

1211
00:54:43,839 --> 00:54:41,269
dealing with here on these tr3 bees that

1212
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:43,849
the f-16s were scrambled laughter this

1213
00:54:48,279 --> 00:54:45,410
could be what we're dealing with here

1214
00:54:51,249 --> 00:54:48,289
why scramble of 16s after our own

1215
00:54:52,900 --> 00:54:51,259
aircraft yeah because in many cases the

1216
00:54:54,670 --> 00:54:52,910
United States Air Force does not have a

1217
00:54:57,249 --> 00:54:54,680
need to know this is a completely

1218
00:54:59,170 --> 00:54:57,259
separate group it's a defense contractor

1219
00:55:01,749 --> 00:54:59,180
group and the United States Air Force

1220
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:01,759
may not be clued in on everything that

1221
00:55:06,849 --> 00:55:04,160
we have that's one of those trump card

1222
00:55:10,660 --> 00:55:06,859
technologies that the Air Force does not

1223
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:10,670
have a need to know on the other reports

1224
00:55:14,799 --> 00:55:13,249
though well we have a lot of reports

1225
00:55:19,870 --> 00:55:14,809
about these craft moving really really

1226
00:55:22,089 --> 00:55:19,880
slowly and the large triangle type you

1227
00:55:25,059 --> 00:55:22,099
know like the size of the you know the

1228
00:55:27,329 --> 00:55:25,069
the Imperial craft from Star Wars right

1229
00:55:30,339 --> 00:55:27,339
one hundred yards on quarter of a mile

1230
00:55:33,069 --> 00:55:30,349
moving really slowly but then leaving

1231
00:55:34,439 --> 00:55:33,079
the area really really quickly so if

1232
00:55:37,979 --> 00:55:34,449
these are some type of lighter-than-air

1233
00:55:41,289 --> 00:55:37,989
rigid well that removes that suggestion

1234
00:55:42,939 --> 00:55:41,299
right Ally that that was seen in the

1235
00:55:44,769 --> 00:55:42,949
Hudson Valley boomerang and that was

1236
00:55:48,209 --> 00:55:44,779
also seen in the southern Illinois

1237
00:55:51,039 --> 00:55:48,219
triangle case where this craft was seen

1238
00:55:53,410 --> 00:55:51,049
by eyewitnesses at treetop level then

1239
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:53,420
went over to the horizon and back in

1240
00:55:58,029 --> 00:55:55,729
less than one second now if you're using

1241
00:56:01,029 --> 00:55:58,039
an electric or vidiq propulsion system

1242
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:01,039
and you're using plasma stealth then you

1243
00:56:08,259 --> 00:56:04,130
can make this thing become invisible you

1244
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:08,269
can basically set up your own similar to

1245
00:56:11,620 --> 00:56:10,249
what was proposed on the b2 where

1246
00:56:13,509 --> 00:56:11,630
they're electrically charging the

1247
00:56:14,859 --> 00:56:13,519
leading edge of the wing to reduce the

1248
00:56:17,499 --> 00:56:14,869
radar cross signature and then

1249
00:56:20,709 --> 00:56:17,509
negatively charging the exhaust gases

1250
00:56:23,579 --> 00:56:20,719
maybe what is mimicking the form fit and

1251
00:56:25,779 --> 00:56:23,589
function of what people are recalling

1252
00:56:27,969 --> 00:56:25,789
extraterrestrial UFOs when their own

1253
00:56:29,620 --> 00:56:27,979
deep black programs and here's the other

1254
00:56:33,009 --> 00:56:29,630
thing I was told to comes from a

1255
00:56:34,689 --> 00:56:33,019
reliable source when you see that

1256
00:56:38,139 --> 00:56:34,699
there's a sighting of one of our

1257
00:56:40,479 --> 00:56:38,149
aircraft basically the very next day you

1258
00:56:42,669 --> 00:56:40,489
will read about it in the Weekly World

1259
00:56:46,229 --> 00:56:42,679
News as some type of an extraterrestrial

1260
00:56:48,370 --> 00:56:46,239
event and so they're using the ET

1261
00:56:50,739 --> 00:56:48,380
hypothesis to cover their own deep black

1262
00:56:55,629 --> 00:56:50,749
programs and it's worked for 50 years

1263
00:56:58,719 --> 00:56:55,639
why would they stop now well yes I would

1264
00:57:01,929 --> 00:56:58,729
agree with the ad at least that's a

1265
00:57:04,059 --> 00:57:01,939
partial explanation but the when you

1266
00:57:07,899 --> 00:57:04,069
look at the de conic state parkway and

1267
00:57:10,599 --> 00:57:07,909
how you've you know the flight path

1268
00:57:15,069 --> 00:57:10,609
that's going up why do I do a test

1269
00:57:19,719 --> 00:57:15,079
flight over you know what's the word I

1270
00:57:22,659 --> 00:57:19,729
want to use through traffic right sure

1271
00:57:24,489 --> 00:57:22,669
rush-hour traffic what are you doing

1272
00:57:26,139 --> 00:57:24,499
there if you're trying to do something

1273
00:57:28,839 --> 00:57:26,149
in a black project where you're going to

1274
00:57:31,419 --> 00:57:28,849
have ten fifteen twenty thousand

1275
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:31,429
eyewitnesses okay good question let me

1276
00:57:35,739 --> 00:57:34,130
propose one possibility this is just one

1277
00:57:39,069 --> 00:57:35,749
possibility

1278
00:57:41,709 --> 00:57:39,079
during the 80s we heard nothing more

1279
00:57:44,229 --> 00:57:41,719
than Reagan talking about the evil

1280
00:57:47,739 --> 00:57:44,239
empire we heard this whole concept of

1281
00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:47,749
mutually assured destruction ICBM attack

1282
00:57:52,629 --> 00:57:49,729
we just kept hearing more and more about

1283
00:57:55,620 --> 00:57:52,639
this so and we already talked about how

1284
00:57:59,949 --> 00:57:55,630
that SDI announcement took place exactly

1285
00:58:03,039 --> 00:57:59,959
24 hours before the March 24th 1983 huge

1286
00:58:07,709 --> 00:58:03,049
sighting is it possible and this is just

1287
00:58:10,899 --> 00:58:07,719
a proposal here is it possible that

1288
00:58:13,989 --> 00:58:10,909
during the 1960s when they were

1289
00:58:19,659 --> 00:58:13,999
developing relocatable over-the-horizon

1290
00:58:21,309 --> 00:58:19,669
radar which is completely it's something

1291
00:58:23,019 --> 00:58:21,319
that you can take out with a Russian

1292
00:58:25,839 --> 00:58:23,029
missile wouldn't it be great if we had a

1293
00:58:28,509 --> 00:58:25,849
mobile airborne relocatable

1294
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:28,519
over-the-horizon radar system I am

1295
00:58:32,860 --> 00:58:31,010
proposing that this is

1296
00:58:34,890 --> 00:58:32,870
possibly what was seen by the

1297
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:34,900
eyewitnesses in the Hudson Valley a

1298
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,490
relocatable airborne mobile

1299
00:58:42,610 --> 00:58:39,440
over-the-horizon system that would be

1300
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:42,620
completely impervious to Russian ICBM

1301
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:45,130
attack and it answers all the criteria

1302
00:58:51,580 --> 00:58:49,490
it's silent it's triangular it has

1303
00:58:53,500 --> 00:58:51,590
multicolored flashing lights it has the

1304
00:58:57,550 --> 00:58:53,510
cross beam and girder construction and

1305
00:59:00,700 --> 00:58:57,560
it can make that 180-degree 360 degree

1306
00:59:03,130 --> 00:59:00,710
flat term without banking it answers all

1307
00:59:09,700 --> 00:59:03,140
the criteria Jimmy it's just one

1308
00:59:13,390 --> 00:59:09,710
possibility the why do and a an airfoil

1309
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:13,400
type design with this if it's dealing

1310
00:59:17,740 --> 00:59:15,410
with any gravity and other propulsion

1311
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:17,750
systems you don't need an airfoil design

1312
00:59:23,620 --> 00:59:21,530
oh that's a real good point you just

1313
00:59:26,140 --> 00:59:23,630
brought up there let me hit you with

1314
00:59:28,030 --> 00:59:26,150
something that Stanton Friedman had

1315
00:59:31,180 --> 00:59:28,040
mentioned now this is talking about the

1316
00:59:33,850 --> 00:59:31,190
West Chester sightings 83 84 this is a

1317
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:33,860
letter from Stanton Friedman to Tony

1318
00:59:39,220 --> 00:59:37,010
Gonzalez this is dated January 17 1990

1319
00:59:41,260 --> 00:59:39,230
now this is Stanton Friedman quote I

1320
00:59:43,660 --> 00:59:41,270
have always been bothered by the

1321
00:59:45,370 --> 00:59:43,670
westchester county sightings because i

1322
00:59:47,650 --> 00:59:45,380
never heard of actions that would

1323
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:47,660
clearly label the technology alien and

1324
00:59:52,900 --> 00:59:50,210
then he goes on to state here wings in

1325
00:59:55,140 --> 00:59:52,910
outer space could only be decoration but

1326
00:59:58,120 --> 00:59:55,150
do of course match an earthling approach

1327
01:00:00,400 --> 00:59:58,130
Stanton is correct in this case why

1328
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:00,410
would you need wings in outer space

1329
01:00:05,050 --> 01:00:02,810
we're not talking about aircraft that

1330
01:00:06,490 --> 01:00:05,060
operate on standard aerodynamic

1331
01:00:09,220 --> 01:00:06,500
principles we're about something

1332
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:09,230
completely different here right well

1333
01:00:16,810 --> 01:00:14,000
again if it's is but what is the need

1334
01:00:19,450 --> 01:00:16,820
for the air foils I mean if you're if

1335
01:00:21,820 --> 01:00:19,460
you're if you're operating at 10 15 20

1336
01:00:24,820 --> 01:00:21,830
miles an hour but you know really slow

1337
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:24,830
no airfoil needed and if you're going to

1338
01:00:34,420 --> 01:00:28,850
turn on a dime or rip out at Mach 5 Mach

1339
01:00:36,370 --> 01:00:34,430
9 air foils not needed so what what is

1340
01:00:39,460 --> 01:00:36,380
the deception I don't understand the

1341
01:00:41,710 --> 01:00:39,470
need for it understood in my proposal

1342
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:41,720
that the reason why they have that is

1343
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:44,160
because they need real estate for

1344
01:00:49,130 --> 01:00:47,010
the antenna array on the relocatable

1345
01:00:51,980 --> 01:00:49,140
over-the-horizon radar if you do any

1346
01:00:54,650 --> 01:00:51,990
research on over-the-horizon radar what

1347
01:00:56,990 --> 01:00:54,660
you're going to end up seeing is cross

1348
01:00:59,180 --> 01:00:57,000
beam and girder construction just like

1349
01:01:01,099 --> 01:00:59,190
the Hudson Valley eyewitnesses reported

1350
01:01:02,660 --> 01:01:01,109
so that's what I'm proposing is that's

1351
01:01:04,039 --> 01:01:02,670
why they have that because they have to

1352
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:04,049
have real estate for that

1353
01:01:10,039 --> 01:01:06,569
over-the-horizon radar array yeah that's

1354
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:10,049
interesting and then I want to kind of

1355
01:01:17,210 --> 01:01:13,910
spin something into this when I

1356
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:17,220
witnessed I've seen a b2 fly three or

1357
01:01:23,329 --> 01:01:19,770
four times in my life and every time

1358
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:23,339
that I have seen it fly it was flying

1359
01:01:29,569 --> 01:01:27,530
too slow to be in the air right it just

1360
01:01:32,740 --> 01:01:29,579
you know what I'm trying to say here

1361
01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:32,750
it's here it didn't make sense to me and

1362
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:35,609
then we found out later that there you

1363
01:01:40,849 --> 01:01:37,680
know there's some crazy technology with

1364
01:01:45,049 --> 01:01:40,859
with electrostatics and and the the

1365
01:01:47,390 --> 01:01:45,059
airfoil and that how do I want to say

1366
01:01:50,210 --> 01:01:47,400
this that it's flying too slow and it's

1367
01:01:53,859 --> 01:01:50,220
being assisted with advanced technology

1368
01:01:57,079 --> 01:01:53,869
in its design to get it aloft that

1369
01:02:00,049 --> 01:01:57,089
suggests to me a technology that nobody

1370
01:02:01,730 --> 01:02:00,059
else has what is going on there and is

1371
01:02:05,299 --> 01:02:01,740
it a suggestion of some type of

1372
01:02:07,970 --> 01:02:05,309
anti-gravity propulsion system

1373
01:02:11,630 --> 01:02:07,980
okay well keep in mind that there be two

1374
01:02:14,089 --> 01:02:11,640
was rolled out November 22nd 1988 by

1375
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:14,099
that time Northrop had already sunk in

1376
01:02:18,529 --> 01:02:16,319
twenty two point four billion dollars on

1377
01:02:21,470 --> 01:02:18,539
the program and we were originally going

1378
01:02:25,220 --> 01:02:21,480
to build 132 b-2s we ended up building

1379
01:02:26,839 --> 01:02:25,230
our only 21 so obviously logic alone

1380
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:26,849
would tell you that that's one of the

1381
01:02:32,450 --> 01:02:29,760
reasons why the b2 cost two point three

1382
01:02:34,279 --> 01:02:32,460
billion dollars per aircraft it's more

1383
01:02:36,620 --> 01:02:34,289
than its own weight in gold which is

1384
01:02:39,170 --> 01:02:36,630
just incredible so bottom line is that

1385
01:02:41,329 --> 01:02:39,180
the lower the number the higher it's

1386
01:02:43,670 --> 01:02:41,339
going to cost to build each one just

1387
01:02:47,299 --> 01:02:43,680
just by the by alone there's just not

1388
01:02:50,329 --> 01:02:47,309
money so the question is could Northrop

1389
01:02:52,839 --> 01:02:50,339
have filtered or siphoned some of that

1390
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:52,849
22 point four billion on something else

1391
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:56,010
related to the b2 because if you look at

1392
01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:57,970
the original configuration

1393
01:03:04,620 --> 01:03:01,200
of the b-2 stealth bomber and then you

1394
01:03:06,030 --> 01:03:04,630
overlay what that looks like to what the

1395
01:03:08,130 --> 01:03:06,040
eyewitnesses of the Hudson Valley

1396
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:08,140
boomerang it's almost a one-to-one

1397
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:11,770
mirror image because by 1983 the Air

1398
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:14,170
Force changed it mine about what they

1399
01:03:17,370 --> 01:03:15,760
wanted to do with the b2 they were

1400
01:03:19,349 --> 01:03:17,380
looking at a high-altitude bombing

1401
01:03:22,740 --> 01:03:19,359
platform now they wanted to change it to

1402
01:03:25,980 --> 01:03:22,750
high altitude and low altitude that cost

1403
01:03:29,310 --> 01:03:25,990
American taxpayers 1 billion dollars for

1404
01:03:31,290 --> 01:03:29,320
that redesign of the wing so there's a

1405
01:03:33,270 --> 01:03:31,300
possibility we could be dealing with

1406
01:03:35,940 --> 01:03:33,280
something that was procured under that

1407
01:03:38,849 --> 01:03:35,950
funding so but there's a difference in

1408
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:38,859
size right the Hudson Valley where they

1409
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:41,490
are for instance a huge difference

1410
01:03:47,790 --> 01:03:45,490
probably four to ten times the you know

1411
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:47,800
the the length and width of the craft

1412
01:03:53,070 --> 01:03:50,530
the b2 is a hundred and seventy two foot

1413
01:03:56,820 --> 01:03:53,080
wingspan right first flight was July

1414
01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:56,830
17th 1989 now this is years after the

1415
01:04:02,750 --> 01:03:58,480
Hudson Valley sightings right so it

1416
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:02,760
can't just be the b2 that's responsible

1417
01:04:07,290 --> 01:04:05,410
because the dates don't line up so we

1418
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:07,300
have to be talking about something else

1419
01:04:13,620 --> 01:04:11,290
now I did get a report from a Northrop

1420
01:04:18,359 --> 01:04:13,630
General Dynamics engineer who claims

1421
01:04:20,490 --> 01:04:18,369
that for every three b-2s that are built

1422
01:04:22,770 --> 01:04:20,500
there's one secret version built that

1423
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:22,780
uses this other technology so I'm

1424
01:04:28,500 --> 01:04:26,050
gaining more traction on something else

1425
01:04:30,089 --> 01:04:28,510
going on with the b2 program that we

1426
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:30,099
don't know about there there appears to

1427
01:04:37,230 --> 01:04:32,290
be more to the b2 than meets the eye

1428
01:04:40,530 --> 01:04:37,240
yeah when the couple of times that I've

1429
01:04:42,060 --> 01:04:40,540
seen the b2 fly I was not in a car one

1430
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:42,070
time I was we were talking about that

1431
01:04:49,020 --> 01:04:44,170
earlier but when I was standing outside

1432
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:49,030
I did not hear the engines the only

1433
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:52,450
thing I heard was the wind going over

1434
01:04:56,130 --> 01:04:54,490
the crack it's a very bizarre thing when

1435
01:05:00,270 --> 01:04:56,140
you see it coming toward you don't hear

1436
01:05:01,950 --> 01:05:00,280
it as it passes you you hear just like

1437
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:01,960
the wind on a car when you're driving

1438
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:04,089
down the freeway you know that sound

1439
01:05:10,620 --> 01:05:09,490
that's what I heard so that's the when

1440
01:05:11,820 --> 01:05:10,630
we talk about the Hudson Valley

1441
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:11,830
situation that

1442
01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:13,930
the correlation I can connect to because

1443
01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:17,200
nobody reported any engine sound but did

1444
01:05:25,740 --> 01:05:20,400
anybody report air going over the craft

1445
01:05:27,810 --> 01:05:25,750
well let me get you a report from Bill

1446
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:27,820
Scott who's a former rocky mountain

1447
01:05:32,490 --> 01:05:29,890
editor of Aviation Week space technology

1448
01:05:35,310 --> 01:05:32,500
now this gentleman is probably more read

1449
01:05:36,990 --> 01:05:35,320
in to a lot of these black programs than

1450
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:37,000
anyone we know out there because he

1451
01:05:43,020 --> 01:05:40,810
covered the industry for 25 years a bill

1452
01:05:45,980 --> 01:05:43,030
Scott is the best of the best he was

1453
01:05:49,770 --> 01:05:45,990
given a report a reliable report this is

1454
01:05:53,790 --> 01:05:49,780
1984 of a UPS driver that was driving on

1455
01:05:55,230 --> 01:05:53,800
highway 375 near groom Lake he's heading

1456
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:55,240
in one direction I've got the whole

1457
01:06:00,300 --> 01:05:56,530
report on this he's heading in one

1458
01:06:03,090 --> 01:06:00,310
direction in his UPS truck approaching

1459
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:03,100
him from the opposite direction is what

1460
01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:04,890
appears to be a flying wing

1461
01:06:10,500 --> 01:06:07,510
configuration it's down on the deck

1462
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:10,510
right over the the jar of the pavement

1463
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:13,210
here this thing comes ripping across the

1464
01:06:18,330 --> 01:06:15,850
area right over his UPS truck it was so

1465
01:06:20,550 --> 01:06:18,340
low Bill told me that the compression

1466
01:06:23,490 --> 01:06:20,560
wave that this craft made pushed down

1467
01:06:26,340 --> 01:06:23,500
the UPS truck and all this dust started

1468
01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:26,350
flying all around the UPS truck and then

1469
01:06:30,090 --> 01:06:28,000
this thing went into the vertical

1470
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:30,100
unpeeled off and this guy got out of his

1471
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:32,770
truck and just saw this thing as it was

1472
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:35,170
departing now he said quote it looked

1473
01:06:40,950 --> 01:06:39,010
like the b2 but wasn't the b2 so this

1474
01:06:44,100 --> 01:06:40,960
was another one of these flying wings

1475
01:06:45,780 --> 01:06:44,110
that to this day since 1984 has still

1476
01:06:47,550 --> 01:06:45,790
not been acknowledged so there is no

1477
01:06:49,350 --> 01:06:47,560
question that it could have been a

1478
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:49,360
northrop bird could have been a General

1479
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:51,490
Dynamics bird we're not for sure it

1480
01:06:55,500 --> 01:06:53,680
could have been McDonnell Douglas but

1481
01:06:57,210 --> 01:06:55,510
there's there's no question that a lot

1482
01:06:59,610 --> 01:06:57,220
of these aircraft according to that ad

1483
01:07:01,380 --> 01:06:59,620
week report eight years of the Reagan

1484
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:01,390
administration were very good to the

1485
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:04,240
black world in Washington DC absolutely

1486
01:07:07,860 --> 01:07:06,130
there's no question it sounds very

1487
01:07:14,370 --> 01:07:07,870
similar to what I told you about earlier

1488
01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:14,380
today doesn't it yeah yeah I mean the

1489
01:07:20,370 --> 01:07:16,720
the thing that I trip out on the most

1490
01:07:25,049 --> 01:07:20,380
when you combine a Ben Rich's testimony

1491
01:07:27,449 --> 01:07:25,059
to what we know about the the b2

1492
01:07:30,689 --> 01:07:27,459
is a black triangle it is what we have

1493
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:30,699
been seeing in the skies but we have

1494
01:07:35,339 --> 01:07:32,799
been seeing this for years and years and

1495
01:07:38,339 --> 01:07:35,349
years I don't know if I can confidently

1496
01:07:41,579 --> 01:07:38,349
say what went on in st. Louis and other

1497
01:07:43,949 --> 01:07:41,589
sightings throughout the 60s move up to

1498
01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:43,959
the b2 program and that's where I'm

1499
01:07:50,609 --> 01:07:47,049
feeling that there was some type of real

1500
01:07:52,469 --> 01:07:50,619
ET spacecraft flying around I can't rule

1501
01:07:54,269 --> 01:07:52,479
it out I cannot rule it out there's

1502
01:07:56,789 --> 01:07:54,279
there's absolutely the possibility that

1503
01:08:00,029 --> 01:07:56,799
we could be dealing with that want to

1504
01:08:02,339 --> 01:08:00,039
take you back really quickly to a book

1505
01:08:04,709 --> 01:08:02,349
when we talk about fraud waste and abuse

1506
01:08:06,419 --> 01:08:04,719
and government spending at the Pentagon

1507
01:08:10,199 --> 01:08:06,429
there's a book called the Pentagon us

1508
01:08:13,169 --> 01:08:10,209
and it has the subheading an insider's

1509
01:08:15,900 --> 01:08:13,179
view of waste mismanagement and fraud

1510
01:08:20,039 --> 01:08:15,910
and defense spending and very quickly

1511
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:20,049
here they highlight a small block that

1512
01:08:24,510 --> 01:08:22,329
is about two and a half inches long it's

1513
01:08:27,030 --> 01:08:24,520
about three quarters of an inch wide and

1514
01:08:30,749 --> 01:08:27,040
about three sixteenths of an inch thick

1515
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:30,759
in this in this book they talk about how

1516
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:32,799
this block which is called a quote

1517
01:08:38,129 --> 01:08:36,730
unquote f16 pulley puller it's a tiny

1518
01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:38,139
little thing that you can fit between

1519
01:08:44,099 --> 01:08:40,089
your index finger and your thumb and

1520
01:08:46,379 --> 01:08:44,109
it's got three tap holes in it Jimmy you

1521
01:08:49,079 --> 01:08:46,389
want to take a guess how much you as a

1522
01:08:50,849 --> 01:08:49,089
taxpayer and all the rest of us spent on

1523
01:08:51,329 --> 01:08:50,859
this back in 1983 you want to take a

1524
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:51,339
guess

1525
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:55,449
her whole home I've seen the block shiny

1526
01:08:59,399 --> 01:08:57,250
little block that's about two inches

1527
01:09:02,030 --> 01:08:59,409
long three quarters of an inch wide how

1528
01:09:06,419 --> 01:09:02,040
much did we spend on this back in 1980

1529
01:09:07,890 --> 01:09:06,429
350,000 nope not that much 13,000 for

1530
01:09:10,379 --> 01:09:07,900
seven hundred and seventeen dollars I

1531
01:09:12,209 --> 01:09:10,389
was like a shiny little block that you

1532
01:09:14,129 --> 01:09:12,219
could build for no more than two dollars

1533
01:09:15,390 --> 01:09:14,139
yeah I was good I was going to say 15

1534
01:09:18,839 --> 01:09:15,400
grand but I thought I'd go to the

1535
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:18,849
extreme side sure well yeah but I don't

1536
01:09:22,530 --> 01:09:20,409
know how many we've built a hundred

1537
01:09:25,559 --> 01:09:22,540
thousands maybe I don't know but that's

1538
01:09:29,579 --> 01:09:25,569
that's how you hide the money yes the

1539
01:09:31,740 --> 01:09:29,589
defense contractors feel privileged that

1540
01:09:33,749 --> 01:09:31,750
they have a right to overcharge the

1541
01:09:36,030 --> 01:09:33,759
American taxpayer it's been going on for

1542
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:36,040
decades and since we're on this roll

1543
01:09:40,499 --> 01:09:38,170
here we've got to talk

1544
01:09:44,849 --> 01:09:40,509
about the f-22 Raptor the Lockheed

1545
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:44,859
Martin f-22 cost per plane according to

1546
01:09:51,919 --> 01:09:48,730
CNN Jimmy is 412 million dollars per

1547
01:09:55,380 --> 01:09:51,929
plane this is the same company that in

1548
01:09:58,439 --> 01:09:55,390
1955 under Kelly Johnson built the u-2

1549
01:10:00,000 --> 01:09:58,449
spy plane for 1 million dollars so can

1550
01:10:02,820 --> 01:10:00,010
you see where I'm going with this I do

1551
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:02,830
here we're saying that you can you can

1552
01:10:09,180 --> 01:10:06,610
buy or you can build 412 u-2 spy planes

1553
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:09,190
for the cost of one f-22 right so going

1554
01:10:13,740 --> 01:10:10,960
on here yeah something something's wrong

1555
01:10:16,229 --> 01:10:13,750
but let's take a break right here and

1556
01:10:20,100 --> 01:10:16,239
when we come back we're going to talk

1557
01:10:21,959 --> 01:10:20,110
about the tr-3b I do want to talk a

1558
01:10:23,820 --> 01:10:21,969
little bit about Kelly Johnson and skunk

1559
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:23,830
works too as well that was a great era

1560
01:10:27,780 --> 01:10:26,050
our guest tonight Michael shraddh does

1561
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:27,790
fade to black I'm yours Jimmy Church

1562
01:10:36,450 --> 01:10:30,730
we'll be right back stay with us

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01:10:36,460 --> 01:10:46,209
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01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:40,320
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01:12:49,610 --> 01:12:48,000
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nourishment to maintain that peak

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if health wellness and nutrition are

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what you desire choose nature's youth

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RSF I did you see you're going to get

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01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:01,880
older it's just up to you how you feel

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01:13:07,149 --> 01:13:04,010
when you get there get started today

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01:13:09,339 --> 01:13:07,159
nature's youth RSF simple to use simple

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01:13:12,010 --> 01:13:09,349
to order go to nature's youth calm

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01:13:17,350 --> 01:13:12,020
that's nature's youth calm nature's

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01:13:19,930 --> 01:13:17,360
youth calm you are listening to fade to

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01:13:24,729 --> 01:13:19,940
black with ginger on the game changing

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01:13:26,740 --> 01:13:24,739
Network hi I'm Lisa Vance you're

1624
01:13:29,709 --> 01:13:26,750
listening to Jimmy Church this is

1625
01:13:33,569 --> 01:13:29,719
revolution the revolution will not be

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01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:33,579
televised the revolution is on radio

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01:13:38,490 --> 01:14:16,410
[Music]

1628
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:19,420
all right welcome back baby black

1629
01:14:23,050 --> 01:14:20,690
diamond girls Timmy church our guest

1630
01:14:25,530 --> 01:14:23,060
tonight Michael shrap private pilot

1631
01:14:30,660 --> 01:14:25,540
military aerospace historian and

1632
01:14:33,700 --> 01:14:30,670
lecturer it was just in he is in

1633
01:14:35,950 --> 01:14:33,710
featured in Steven Greer's new movie

1634
01:14:38,530 --> 01:14:35,960
unacknowledged and we'll talk about that

1635
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:38,540
too in just a bit but Michael I want to

1636
01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:41,930
talk about the tr-3b the the sightings

1637
01:14:47,410 --> 01:14:45,920
over st. Louis and also you know the

1638
01:14:50,850 --> 01:14:47,420
windows that were on the side always

1639
01:14:53,380 --> 01:14:50,860
found very very interesting but also

1640
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:53,390
similar in description about what was

1641
01:15:01,020 --> 01:14:57,530
going on over in Belgium now is the

1642
01:15:03,730 --> 01:15:01,030
tr-3b in your estimation a real craft

1643
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:03,740
you've got some excellent illustrations

1644
01:15:10,660 --> 01:15:07,370
up in the gallery too

1645
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:10,670
is it a real craft or is you know what

1646
01:15:14,110 --> 01:15:11,930
are people seeing here

1647
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:14,120
good question well when we talk about

1648
01:15:19,860 --> 01:15:16,970
the tr-3b we have to give credit to

1649
01:15:22,750 --> 01:15:19,870
Edgar Fouchet he's the origin point of

1650
01:15:25,630 --> 01:15:22,760
almost everything associated with this

1651
01:15:27,970 --> 01:15:25,640
craft we have to give him credit whether

1652
01:15:30,730 --> 01:15:27,980
people feel he's a controversial figure

1653
01:15:33,790 --> 01:15:30,740
or not but I did speak to him multiple

1654
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:33,800
times I know him very well I post a

1655
01:15:39,130 --> 01:15:36,410
series of very detailed questions and I

1656
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:39,140
actually asked him to draw me an

1657
01:15:44,980 --> 01:15:41,690
illustration of his sighting which he

1658
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:44,990
claims he saw 1979 at groom airbase and

1659
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:46,970
believe it or not the gentleman followed

1660
01:15:51,820 --> 01:15:49,130
through with what he said he would do he

1661
01:15:56,230 --> 01:15:51,830
did describe his case he drew me an

1662
01:16:01,890 --> 01:15:56,240
illustration he discusses how this tr-3b

1663
01:16:05,260 --> 01:16:01,900
which has two different sizes and tr-3b

1664
01:16:07,570 --> 01:16:05,270
stands for Teledyne ryan in his

1665
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:07,580
estimation so maybe that's a clue on the

1666
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:10,010
contractor but basically he states that

1667
01:16:15,970 --> 01:16:12,410
there's a 300 foot per side vehicle

1668
01:16:18,550 --> 01:16:15,980
there's also a 600 foot per side vehicle

1669
01:16:20,830 --> 01:16:18,560
and it has a central core which is

1670
01:16:23,390 --> 01:16:20,840
called a magnetic field disruptor that

1671
01:16:31,620 --> 01:16:28,670
we lost you for a second okay core to it

1672
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:31,630
still there yeah we lost you a couple of

1673
01:16:35,490 --> 01:16:33,760
times but yeah it's really weird I don't

1674
01:16:38,610 --> 01:16:35,500
see anything wrong with the signal okay

1675
01:16:40,490 --> 01:16:38,620
I finally start with the beginning of

1676
01:16:43,140 --> 01:16:40,500
the propulsion system the central field

1677
01:16:46,020 --> 01:16:43,150
according to Edgar Foucher this craft

1678
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:46,030
has a magnetic field disrupter and what

1679
01:16:52,350 --> 01:16:48,370
is proposed in the propulsion system is

1680
01:16:55,620 --> 01:16:52,360
a liquid mercury plasma is pressurized

1681
01:16:58,950 --> 01:16:55,630
to 250,000 atmospheres and rotated at

1682
01:17:02,910 --> 01:16:58,960
50,000 rpm now when that happens there's

1683
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:02,920
a warpage of the gravity field by up to

1684
01:17:10,130 --> 01:17:07,090
89% reducing the g-forces by 89% now

1685
01:17:14,490 --> 01:17:10,140
this is per Edgar Fuu Shay's description

1686
01:17:17,310 --> 01:17:14,500
this is I see what we're seeing on the

1687
01:17:19,500 --> 01:17:17,320
movement of these craft we're seeing

1688
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:19,510
these stop on a dime maneuvers we're

1689
01:17:24,570 --> 01:17:21,370
seeing these right angle turn maneuvers

1690
01:17:27,030 --> 01:17:24,580
we're seeing these high 40g maneuvers

1691
01:17:29,910 --> 01:17:27,040
that are explained by the propulsion

1692
01:17:32,850 --> 01:17:29,920
system if this is true now again Edgar

1693
01:17:34,290 --> 01:17:32,860
told me that this is a 1979 a lot of the

1694
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:34,300
sightings started right around the

1695
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:36,970
mid-1970s so it's consistent with what

1696
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:39,690
we see with the eyewitnesses except for

1697
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:43,690
st. Louis mm-hmm that's that's true

1698
01:17:47,910 --> 01:17:45,850
that's true now when you talk about the

1699
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:47,920
southern Illinois triangle this was

1700
01:17:52,700 --> 01:17:50,290
January 5th 2000 there were at least

1701
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:52,710
three separate triangular craft

1702
01:17:57,510 --> 01:17:55,210
according to the police officers

1703
01:18:00,900 --> 01:17:57,520
involved in this case and there was also

1704
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:00,910
another particular craft that was boxy

1705
01:18:05,340 --> 01:18:03,370
it looked like a single story wrench

1706
01:18:08,490 --> 01:18:05,350
with a penthouse on top this is by

1707
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:08,500
Melvin Noll who is a truck driver and

1708
01:18:13,860 --> 01:18:10,810
miniature golf course owner at the time

1709
01:18:15,660 --> 01:18:13,870
where this craft flew about a quarter to

1710
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:15,670
a half mile away he saw the thing he

1711
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:17,290
said it was as big as a football field

1712
01:18:23,610 --> 01:18:21,610
and it slowly floated did not fly but

1713
01:18:25,260 --> 01:18:23,620
floated by his miniature golf course and

1714
01:18:27,150 --> 01:18:25,270
I think that's one of the photographs or

1715
01:18:29,370 --> 01:18:27,160
illustrations that I put up on the

1716
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:29,380
website Jimmy yeah yeah it's

1717
01:18:35,190 --> 01:18:32,530
extraordinary and these sightings in st.

1718
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:35,200
Louis though they go back to 1967 where

1719
01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:35,530
there was

1720
01:18:41,100 --> 01:18:38,320
another very very similar description

1721
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:41,110
back then with windows and the lights on

1722
01:18:46,140 --> 01:18:43,840
the back of the craft and nearly flew in

1723
01:18:49,380 --> 01:18:46,150
the same flight path which is kind of

1724
01:18:52,440 --> 01:18:49,390
strange too as well I mean what why st.

1725
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:52,450
Louis hmm I'm not sure why they would

1726
01:18:58,170 --> 01:18:55,440
pick that area there were allegedly no

1727
01:19:00,390 --> 01:18:58,180
military applications going on near

1728
01:19:03,150 --> 01:19:00,400
Scott Air Force Base I think it is right

1729
01:19:05,550 --> 01:19:03,160
we don't know for sure but one thing I

1730
01:19:08,610 --> 01:19:05,560
will state though is there were multiple

1731
01:19:11,970 --> 01:19:08,620
police officers and one in particular

1732
01:19:13,890 --> 01:19:11,980
who stated that the bottom of the

1733
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:13,900
southern Illinois triangle I've got his

1734
01:19:18,300 --> 01:19:15,970
quote here this is Police Officer David

1735
01:19:20,100 --> 01:19:18,310
Martin from Shiloh Illinois Police

1736
01:19:22,170 --> 01:19:20,110
Department that's right he said the

1737
01:19:26,220 --> 01:19:22,180
bottom of the craft resembled building

1738
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:26,230
blocks with plumbing pipes this is what

1739
01:19:30,750 --> 01:19:27,730
they reported on the Hudson Valley

1740
01:19:33,540 --> 01:19:30,760
boomerang so again we've got 12 separate

1741
01:19:35,070 --> 01:19:33,550
cases of this very interesting bottom

1742
01:19:37,410 --> 01:19:35,080
under structure that we're seeing

1743
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:37,420
throughout all these cases what does

1744
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:39,130
that tell you about the technology

1745
01:19:43,950 --> 01:19:42,250
though is is something that and I know

1746
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:43,960
you touch upon this a little bit and

1747
01:19:48,330 --> 01:19:46,000
unacknowledged and I do want to get to

1748
01:19:50,100 --> 01:19:48,340
Dulce and and some other stuff too I

1749
01:19:51,270 --> 01:19:50,110
don't want to run out of it we've got so

1750
01:19:53,190 --> 01:19:51,280
much to talk about with you Michael

1751
01:19:55,980 --> 01:19:53,200
right but what does this tell you about

1752
01:20:00,060 --> 01:19:55,990
the technology is this really something

1753
01:20:03,090 --> 01:20:00,070
that would upset the entire me would we

1754
01:20:06,180 --> 01:20:03,100
have a worldwide Wyatt in the street if

1755
01:20:08,550 --> 01:20:06,190
if there is technology being used that

1756
01:20:11,310 --> 01:20:08,560
isn't being shared with you and I and

1757
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:11,320
the status quo you know the common man

1758
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:15,250
we could all use this technology I don't

1759
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:16,810
know if there'd be riots in the streets

1760
01:20:22,170 --> 01:20:20,410
but let me give you the description of a

1761
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:22,180
gentleman who saw one of these black

1762
01:20:29,070 --> 01:20:25,330
triangles fly right over his head this

1763
01:20:32,490 --> 01:20:29,080
is on November the 22nd 1985 Madison

1764
01:20:34,350 --> 01:20:32,500
Wisconsin a large black triangle right

1765
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:34,360
over his head now let me just read you

1766
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:36,970
really quickly his statement the bottom

1767
01:20:42,180 --> 01:20:39,970
or underside of the craft resemble quote

1768
01:20:44,340 --> 01:20:42,190
the back of a refrigerator like a

1769
01:20:46,650 --> 01:20:44,350
collection of condensation pipes that

1770
01:20:49,259 --> 01:20:46,660
ran back and forth after gliding over

1771
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:49,269
the witness vehicle the craft

1772
01:20:55,469 --> 01:20:51,489
at a tremendous speed and left no sonic

1773
01:20:57,479 --> 01:20:55,479
boom so what would there be a cry for

1774
01:20:59,399 --> 01:20:57,489
the technology being Declassified yes

1775
01:21:02,039 --> 01:20:59,409
there would would there be riots in the

1776
01:21:03,839 --> 01:21:02,049
street I'm not sure but we have we have

1777
01:21:05,849 --> 01:21:03,849
got the technology we have made the

1778
01:21:07,829 --> 01:21:05,859
breakthrough there is no question now

1779
01:21:10,949 --> 01:21:07,839
the illustration that you have everybody

1780
01:21:12,989 --> 01:21:10,959
just go over to Michael's a gallery page

1781
01:21:15,089 --> 01:21:12,999
and you'll see the the black triangle

1782
01:21:16,319 --> 01:21:15,099
with the pipes underneath what are we

1783
01:21:19,229 --> 01:21:16,329
looking at here

1784
01:21:21,839 --> 01:21:19,239
and also you brought up mark McCandlish

1785
01:21:24,750 --> 01:21:21,849
earlier I want to address him too as

1786
01:21:26,759 --> 01:21:24,760
well but what would be going through

1787
01:21:29,369 --> 01:21:26,769
these pipes and there's ten different

1788
01:21:32,389 --> 01:21:29,379
time different closing that those pipes

1789
01:21:34,709 --> 01:21:32,399
are being used to super chill a

1790
01:21:36,509 --> 01:21:34,719
superconductor with liquid nitrogen

1791
01:21:38,789 --> 01:21:36,519
that's just what I'm proposing and what

1792
01:21:41,669 --> 01:21:38,799
we did with the superconductor would

1793
01:21:44,909 --> 01:21:41,679
that be a series of plays that that

1794
01:21:47,159 --> 01:21:44,919
would be part of what Edgar Fouchet is

1795
01:21:49,949 --> 01:21:47,169
talking about with the magnetic field

1796
01:21:52,500 --> 01:21:49,959
disruptor because remember the Nazi bell

1797
01:21:54,809 --> 01:21:52,510
and all Reed roads seem to lead back to

1798
01:21:58,019 --> 01:21:54,819
those paperclip scientists right a Nazi

1799
01:22:01,049 --> 01:21:58,029
bill used counter-rotating liquid

1800
01:22:04,229 --> 01:22:01,059
mercury plasma in that bell shaped

1801
01:22:06,689 --> 01:22:04,239
device which was being pressurized also

1802
01:22:10,169 --> 01:22:06,699
seen in the Kecksburg a corn could be a

1803
01:22:14,939 --> 01:22:10,179
similar type craft but if the if the

1804
01:22:16,919 --> 01:22:14,949
Nazi bill was a true event as Joseph

1805
01:22:19,049 --> 01:22:16,929
Farrell talks about and is very credible

1806
01:22:22,589 --> 01:22:19,059
very credible reports if that was a true

1807
01:22:25,019 --> 01:22:22,599
vehicle and if that rotating liquid

1808
01:22:28,979 --> 01:22:25,029
mercury plasma technology was utilized

1809
01:22:31,859 --> 01:22:28,989
at that time then that may explain the

1810
01:22:33,809 --> 01:22:31,869
reverse engineering used for the tr-3b

1811
01:22:35,459 --> 01:22:33,819
I'm just proposing this could be

1812
01:22:38,819 --> 01:22:35,469
something that they've done they might

1813
01:22:41,759 --> 01:22:38,829
have used those scientific advancements

1814
01:22:43,979 --> 01:22:41,769
that were done under the bill to create

1815
01:22:45,839 --> 01:22:43,989
the propulsion system for our triangles

1816
01:22:48,949 --> 01:22:45,849
and they share that technology with the

1817
01:22:52,529 --> 01:22:48,959
United Kingdom and the wood had passed

1818
01:22:56,429 --> 01:22:52,539
UFO is also I keep I keep going back to

1819
01:22:59,909 --> 01:22:56,439
st. Louis but these are very very

1820
01:23:02,520 --> 01:22:59,919
similar descriptions and also not too

1821
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:02,530
far apart in the

1822
01:23:07,860 --> 01:23:05,410
the timeline of the sighting absolutely

1823
01:23:09,780 --> 01:23:07,870
Woodhead pass was a case that I got from

1824
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:09,790
David Marlar he was gracious enough to

1825
01:23:13,470 --> 01:23:11,410
give that to me I have to give him

1826
01:23:15,930 --> 01:23:13,480
credit for that that case did not make

1827
01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:15,940
it into the book but according to the

1828
01:23:21,690 --> 01:23:18,490
primary a witness this is August 25th

1829
01:23:26,060 --> 01:23:21,700
1990 he and his wife departed from a

1830
01:23:29,460 --> 01:23:26,070
Fleetwood Mac music concert it was about

1831
01:23:31,470 --> 01:23:29,470
11:45 p.m. they were driving down the

1832
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:31,480
road though the wife was sleeping in the

1833
01:23:38,970 --> 01:23:35,410
passenger seat and they had just gone

1834
01:23:42,030 --> 01:23:38,980
under this dark misty cloud and emerging

1835
01:23:45,090 --> 01:23:42,040
from this cloud was what he termed a 100

1836
01:23:48,270 --> 01:23:45,100
to 200 foot side flying triangle

1837
01:23:50,610 --> 01:23:48,280
completely black it had a uprooted

1838
01:23:52,860 --> 01:23:50,620
section in the mid section there was one

1839
01:23:55,590 --> 01:23:52,870
light at the terminating corners and

1840
01:23:57,720 --> 01:23:55,600
then one other bright beaming light in

1841
01:24:00,120 --> 01:23:57,730
the center and then he said in this

1842
01:24:03,300 --> 01:24:00,130
indented section of the craft there was

1843
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:03,310
look like a girder cross beam and

1844
01:24:08,010 --> 01:24:05,890
structure type section just like the

1845
01:24:10,950 --> 01:24:08,020
George Washington Bridge and so that's

1846
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:10,960
how I built that card stock model and as

1847
01:24:14,730 --> 01:24:12,880
you've seen in these illustrations that

1848
01:24:17,010 --> 01:24:14,740
we posted I want to make those

1849
01:24:19,500 --> 01:24:17,020
blueprints available to people so they

1850
01:24:23,370 --> 01:24:19,510
can build their own UFO based off of

1851
01:24:25,050 --> 01:24:23,380
natural sighting why the lights why the

1852
01:24:29,010 --> 01:24:25,060
lights at each corner of the triangle

1853
01:24:31,470 --> 01:24:29,020
and one in the center in many cases

1854
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:31,480
according to edgar Foshay some of those

1855
01:24:37,650 --> 01:24:34,090
lights are not lights at all but they're

1856
01:24:38,430 --> 01:24:37,660
multimode impulse engines so they're not

1857
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:38,440
lights at all

1858
01:24:43,140 --> 01:24:39,730
that could be what we're dealing with

1859
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:43,150
according to edgar forshay now to over

1860
01:24:48,750 --> 01:24:47,170
the mark McCandlish mark of course guest

1861
01:24:53,070 --> 01:24:48,760
on the show many times I've had them

1862
01:24:58,650 --> 01:24:53,080
over at coast too as well the ARV the

1863
01:25:01,740 --> 01:24:58,660
alien reproduction vehicle his his

1864
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:01,750
research as you know is that we are

1865
01:25:06,510 --> 01:25:04,930
reproducing an alien vehicle and that is

1866
01:25:10,410 --> 01:25:06,520
a lot of what we've been seeing in the

1867
01:25:13,290 --> 01:25:10,420
skies to the propulsion systems and the

1868
01:25:15,420 --> 01:25:13,300
cooling and how he has described it is

1869
01:25:16,229 --> 01:25:15,430
also very similar to what is being

1870
01:25:18,839 --> 01:25:16,239
proposed he

1871
01:25:21,839 --> 01:25:18,849
would that I see with this triangle

1872
01:25:25,890 --> 01:25:21,849
craft what is it that mark McCandlish

1873
01:25:29,489 --> 01:25:25,900
has been seeing and is the ARV indeed a

1874
01:25:32,220 --> 01:25:29,499
reproduction of an alien spacecraft well

1875
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:32,230
they did call it the alien reproduction

1876
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:34,449
vehicle that was the nickname they gave

1877
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:36,130
it it was also known as the flux liner

1878
01:25:42,569 --> 01:25:40,480
now to try to bridge the gap and state

1879
01:25:45,290 --> 01:25:42,579
that that was actually reverse

1880
01:25:48,870 --> 01:25:45,300
engineered from a crashed UFO retrieval

1881
01:25:52,169 --> 01:25:48,880
to me it might be a little bit difficult

1882
01:25:55,169 --> 01:25:52,179
to bridge that gap I'm not saying it

1883
01:25:58,259 --> 01:25:55,179
can't happen maybe they did but if you

1884
01:26:00,569 --> 01:25:58,269
look at the funding over the past 60

1885
01:26:02,549 --> 01:26:00,579
years in technology and look at what

1886
01:26:05,339 --> 01:26:02,559
Lockheed is doing look at what Martin

1887
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:05,349
was doing look at what Steven Greer

1888
01:26:09,359 --> 01:26:07,449
talks about and I provided Stephen with

1889
01:26:12,239 --> 01:26:09,369
some of these reference works look at

1890
01:26:14,189 --> 01:26:12,249
what they were doing in the early to mid

1891
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:14,199
1950s I'm not going to read all these

1892
01:26:19,620 --> 01:26:16,570
here but let me just go over one of them

1893
01:26:21,870 --> 01:26:19,630
this is vintage 1955 now according to

1894
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:21,880
Steven Greer we made the gravity

1895
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:26,050
breakthrough in October of 1954 does

1896
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:29,050
this have any bearing on the historical

1897
01:26:31,700 --> 01:26:30,610
record well it turns out it does

1898
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:31,710
actually

1899
01:26:38,700 --> 01:26:35,650
Amarillo Daily News November 29th 1955

1900
01:26:41,759 --> 01:26:38,710
it says this is the front page here

1901
01:26:44,700 --> 01:26:41,769
spaceship marvel scene if science can

1902
01:26:46,979 --> 01:26:44,710
outwit gravity they go on to say here

1903
01:26:49,620 --> 01:26:46,989
many in America's aircraft and

1904
01:26:52,379 --> 01:26:49,630
electronic industries are excited over

1905
01:26:55,109 --> 01:26:52,389
the possibility of using its magnetic

1906
01:26:58,020 --> 01:26:55,119
and gravitational fields as a medium of

1907
01:27:01,310 --> 01:26:58,030
support for amazing flying vehicles

1908
01:27:04,350 --> 01:27:01,320
which will not depend on air for lift

1909
01:27:06,689 --> 01:27:04,360
spaceships capable of accelerating in a

1910
01:27:09,359 --> 01:27:06,699
few seconds to speeds many thousands of

1911
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:09,369
miles per hour and making sudden changes

1912
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:11,530
of course at these speeds without

1913
01:27:16,529 --> 01:27:13,570
subjecting their passengers to the so

1914
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:16,539
called g-forces caused by gravity's pull

1915
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:19,449
are also envisioned Jimmy this is

1916
01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:21,280
exactly what we're talking about in

1917
01:27:27,989 --> 01:27:24,159
these triangular vehicles dating back to

1918
01:27:29,859 --> 01:27:27,999
November 29 1955 Amarillo yes

1919
01:27:32,290 --> 01:27:29,869
Amarillo Daily News and I've

1920
01:27:35,979 --> 01:27:32,300
at least 12 different newspaper articles

1921
01:27:38,469 --> 01:27:35,989
talking about the historical legacy of

1922
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:38,479
this gravity research they were doing in

1923
01:27:44,020 --> 01:27:41,449
the 1950s and as you know and Greer has

1924
01:27:46,319 --> 01:27:44,030
borne this out this appeared to go black

1925
01:27:50,229 --> 01:27:46,329
and according to dr. Greer the

1926
01:27:52,779 --> 01:27:50,239
breakthrough was made October 1954 that

1927
01:27:54,699 --> 01:27:52,789
is consistent with what I'm seeing here

1928
01:27:56,350 --> 01:27:54,709
in these newspaper articles here's

1929
01:28:01,239 --> 01:27:56,360
another one won't read em all here

1930
01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:01,249
Council Bluffs 11 27 1955 front page

1931
01:28:07,449 --> 01:28:04,159
heading conquest of gravity aim of top

1932
01:28:09,669 --> 01:28:07,459
scientists one almost fantastic

1933
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:09,679
possibility is that if gravity can be

1934
01:28:14,949 --> 01:28:12,530
understood scientifically and negated or

1935
01:28:17,319 --> 01:28:14,959
neutralized in some relatively

1936
01:28:20,259 --> 01:28:17,329
inexpensive manner it will be possible

1937
01:28:22,629 --> 01:28:20,269
to build aircraft earth satellites and

1938
01:28:26,139 --> 01:28:22,639
even spaceships that will move swiftly

1939
01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:26,149
into outer space without strain beyond

1940
01:28:30,729 --> 01:28:28,249
the pull of Earth's gravity field they

1941
01:28:33,069 --> 01:28:30,739
would not have to wrench themselves away

1942
01:28:35,139 --> 01:28:33,079
through the brute force of powerful

1943
01:28:38,020 --> 01:28:35,149
rockets and through expenditure of

1944
01:28:40,299 --> 01:28:38,030
expensive chemical fuels that's exactly

1945
01:28:43,149 --> 01:28:40,309
correct why are we still using liquid

1946
01:28:45,819 --> 01:28:43,159
rockets that the Nazis developed with

1947
01:28:47,919 --> 01:28:45,829
the v2 in 1943 you mean to tell me we

1948
01:28:51,069 --> 01:28:47,929
don't have anything better after all

1949
01:28:53,109 --> 01:28:51,079
these years here in 1955 they're talking

1950
01:28:55,869 --> 01:28:53,119
about completely doing away with liquid

1951
01:28:59,199 --> 01:28:55,879
rockets altogether why New Mexico though

1952
01:29:00,609 --> 01:28:59,209
and this is what's interesting here we

1953
01:29:03,759 --> 01:29:00,619
have Roswell

1954
01:29:05,500 --> 01:29:03,769
it's beyond coincidence but all of the

1955
01:29:08,169 --> 01:29:05,510
testing and all of his research going

1956
01:29:11,589 --> 01:29:08,179
back to we could bring up Bob Paul

1957
01:29:15,339 --> 01:29:11,599
bennewitz too as well and and and in

1958
01:29:17,919 --> 01:29:15,349
Schneider and and Dulce why New Mexico

1959
01:29:21,339 --> 01:29:17,929
and is it possible that that research

1960
01:29:23,979 --> 01:29:21,349
was concentrated there because of an ET

1961
01:29:27,069 --> 01:29:23,989
influence well look at where the

1962
01:29:30,100 --> 01:29:27,079
paperclip scientists were brought into

1963
01:29:32,020 --> 01:29:30,110
they were brought into white sands yep

1964
01:29:34,239 --> 01:29:32,030
they were brought into Fort Bliss yeah

1965
01:29:37,029 --> 01:29:34,249
and they were brought into Dayton okay

1966
01:29:39,279 --> 01:29:37,039
those were the three locations so maybe

1967
01:29:40,010 --> 01:29:39,289
they were experimenting on these after

1968
01:29:42,670 --> 01:29:40,020
World War two

1969
01:29:46,370 --> 01:29:42,680
you did they cut a deal with Americans

1970
01:29:48,140 --> 01:29:46,380
to expunge their Nazi backgrounds in

1971
01:29:50,150 --> 01:29:48,150
many cases they did this is the dirty

1972
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:50,160
little secret that America doesn't talk

1973
01:29:55,220 --> 01:29:52,290
about how they whitewash their records

1974
01:29:56,900 --> 01:29:55,230
of these Nazis who eventually headed up

1975
01:29:58,580 --> 01:29:56,910
our space program that's what they don't

1976
01:30:00,350 --> 01:29:58,590
want to talk about but this is

1977
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:00,360
consistent with a lot of where these

1978
01:30:05,510 --> 01:30:02,850
crashes took place is the same area

1979
01:30:07,490 --> 01:30:05,520
where these scientists were sent so

1980
01:30:09,730 --> 01:30:07,500
let's talk about Dulce for a second

1981
01:30:14,300 --> 01:30:09,740
you've spoken about this for a long time

1982
01:30:16,790 --> 01:30:14,310
is is what what do you what do you think

1983
01:30:19,190 --> 01:30:16,800
is going on a Dulce Jimmy I have to be

1984
01:30:22,130 --> 01:30:19,200
completely honest with you I don't feel

1985
01:30:24,650 --> 01:30:22,140
a hundred percent confident that I know

1986
01:30:26,540 --> 01:30:24,660
the inside track about Dulce so I just

1987
01:30:28,700 --> 01:30:26,550
don't feel qualified to discuss it I

1988
01:30:31,670 --> 01:30:28,710
just don't why

1989
01:30:34,730 --> 01:30:31,680
well I'm going to ask you why why

1990
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:34,740
because I just don't have a whole lot of

1991
01:30:40,610 --> 01:30:37,530
technical background and technical

1992
01:30:43,490 --> 01:30:40,620
papers to back up a lot of the dulce

1993
01:30:46,430 --> 01:30:43,500
claims I tend to focus more on the nuts

1994
01:30:48,290 --> 01:30:46,440
and bolts aircraft end of it rather than

1995
01:30:49,910 --> 01:30:48,300
what might be going on at Dulce I just

1996
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:49,920
honestly don't know what's going on

1997
01:30:53,480 --> 01:30:52,170
there I'm not going to deny it but I

1998
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:53,490
just don't know if there's an

1999
01:30:59,360 --> 01:30:55,890
underground facility as is claimed to

2000
01:31:02,090 --> 01:30:59,370
the extent that we've heard and when we

2001
01:31:03,530 --> 01:31:02,100
you know all of the reports officially

2002
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:03,540
to from the United States Air Force

2003
01:31:11,170 --> 01:31:07,530
about the debris from Roswell going to

2004
01:31:15,620 --> 01:31:11,180
wright-patterson going to up area 51 to

2005
01:31:18,220 --> 01:31:15,630
ultimately as well what do you what do

2006
01:31:22,930 --> 01:31:18,230
you make of that when we talk about the

2007
01:31:26,930 --> 01:31:22,940
the foreign Technology Building at at

2008
01:31:30,260 --> 01:31:26,940
wright-patterson and area 51 and these

2009
01:31:33,130 --> 01:31:30,270
technologies and things being backward

2010
01:31:37,310 --> 01:31:33,140
engineered the only thing I would say is

2011
01:31:39,890 --> 01:31:37,320
we have run our country almost as a

2012
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:39,900
template from what those paperclip

2013
01:31:44,330 --> 01:31:41,970
scientists were doing because they had

2014
01:31:47,030 --> 01:31:44,340
the same thing set up in Germany which

2015
01:31:49,730 --> 01:31:47,040
eventually became our CIA they had the

2016
01:31:52,340 --> 01:31:49,740
same space program in Peenemunde a even

2017
01:31:52,939 --> 01:31:52,350
with the countdown we stole all that

2018
01:31:55,370 --> 01:31:52,949
from the

2019
01:31:58,069 --> 01:31:55,380
German scientists so they were used as a

2020
01:32:00,020 --> 01:31:58,079
template or guideline for how we would

2021
01:32:02,509 --> 01:32:00,030
set up our intelligence industries and

2022
01:32:05,419 --> 01:32:02,519
all the intelligence gathering networks

2023
01:32:07,879 --> 01:32:05,429
that we set up the NSA it's patterned

2024
01:32:11,149 --> 01:32:07,889
after those German originals so it's not

2025
01:32:12,799 --> 01:32:11,159
any kind of a leap to think that the

2026
01:32:14,779 --> 01:32:12,809
scientists involved in these programs

2027
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:14,789
would have been based where they were

2028
01:32:18,169 --> 01:32:17,610
put in the crashes were retained there

2029
01:32:23,469 --> 01:32:18,179
as well

2030
01:32:26,299 --> 01:32:23,479
well why would al Berg and von Braun

2031
01:32:29,540 --> 01:32:26,309
reference to the help that they got that

2032
01:32:32,930 --> 01:32:29,550
you know came from offworld is that also

2033
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:32,940
a disinformation slant don't know don't

2034
01:32:39,739 --> 01:32:36,690
know but I will tell you that Jimmy good

2035
01:32:42,819 --> 01:32:39,749
uh Jimmy Doolittle general Doolittle was

2036
01:32:45,589 --> 01:32:42,829
questioned on this and it came down that

2037
01:32:48,109 --> 01:32:45,599
some secrets are better left unsaid

2038
01:32:50,060 --> 01:32:48,119
that's the word I heard so I will just

2039
01:32:52,100 --> 01:32:50,070
leave that for the audience to decide

2040
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:52,110
what they want so it certainly appears

2041
01:32:55,910 --> 01:32:54,449
that Jimmy Doolittle knew something you

2042
01:32:57,859 --> 01:32:55,920
would think he would know something

2043
01:33:00,620 --> 01:32:57,869
about this sure but that's that's what I

2044
01:33:03,529 --> 01:33:00,630
was told from from the paperwork that I

2045
01:33:05,419 --> 01:33:03,539
have regarding Jimmy Doolittle so well

2046
01:33:08,089 --> 01:33:05,429
could be something there yeah and when

2047
01:33:11,839 --> 01:33:08,099
we talk about the Bell and what was

2048
01:33:14,660 --> 01:33:11,849
going on in Poland in Germany back then

2049
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:14,670
there was nothing else on planet earth

2050
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:18,090
that was even close to these ideas

2051
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:20,010
forget about the technology that was

2052
01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:21,449
being developed I'm talking about just

2053
01:33:28,969 --> 01:33:25,170
the idea of invention and creativity and

2054
01:33:32,469 --> 01:33:28,979
and where did this this these ideas come

2055
01:33:35,359 --> 01:33:32,479
from for antigravity and and Mercury

2056
01:33:37,580 --> 01:33:35,369
counter-rotating it's it's just way

2057
01:33:41,330 --> 01:33:37,590
beyond what we were talking about back

2058
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:41,340
then well keep in mind too that as you

2059
01:33:46,759 --> 01:33:44,610
know Jimmy some of the Nazis that the

2060
01:33:50,089 --> 01:33:46,769
Russians got were better than the Nazis

2061
01:33:52,609 --> 01:33:50,099
that we got in many cases and that's why

2062
01:33:54,859 --> 01:33:52,619
when we had our f-86 go up against the

2063
01:33:57,859 --> 01:33:54,869
MiGs that they were beating us time and

2064
01:34:00,109 --> 01:33:57,869
time again because those MiG's those

2065
01:34:02,330 --> 01:34:00,119
Russian MiGs were built and patterned

2066
01:34:05,359 --> 01:34:02,340
after those German original designs so

2067
01:34:06,440 --> 01:34:05,369
they already had a leg up on us maybe 20

2068
01:34:08,870 --> 01:34:06,450
years advancement

2069
01:34:10,670 --> 01:34:08,880
what we had so there's any wonder that

2070
01:34:12,980 --> 01:34:10,680
they could have done this it's all

2071
01:34:15,470 --> 01:34:12,990
patterning after that original German

2072
01:34:18,410 --> 01:34:15,480
designs well and then okay you're you're

2073
01:34:22,430 --> 01:34:18,420
an aerospace historian it helped me

2074
01:34:23,990 --> 01:34:22,440
understand the Foo Fighters that's a

2075
01:34:24,590 --> 01:34:24,000
good question I don't know what that

2076
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:24,600
could be

2077
01:34:29,330 --> 01:34:27,090
according to Greer I have no reason to

2078
01:34:31,790 --> 01:34:29,340
doubt them a lot of those Foo Fighter

2079
01:34:34,220 --> 01:34:31,800
orbs went right through the b-17

2080
01:34:37,730 --> 01:34:34,230
fuselage I mean talking about right

2081
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:37,740
through the fuselage this is 1942 1943

2082
01:34:43,550 --> 01:34:40,290
timeframe don't know what that could be

2083
01:34:45,410 --> 01:34:43,560
don't know what that could be okay now

2084
01:34:47,570 --> 01:34:45,420
now we're going to go into kind of a

2085
01:34:51,620 --> 01:34:47,580
strange area here when we're talking

2086
01:34:54,170 --> 01:34:51,630
about Greer and ce-5 contacts and orbs

2087
01:34:58,520 --> 01:34:54,180
which I have witnessed myself many times

2088
01:35:00,530 --> 01:34:58,530
I can't explain this when you go out and

2089
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:00,540
you see something like this in person

2090
01:35:03,830 --> 01:35:02,010
and you haven't seen it yet you just

2091
01:35:08,210 --> 01:35:03,840
told me you've only had your one

2092
01:35:10,130 --> 01:35:08,220
sighting when you see a large orb take

2093
01:35:12,740 --> 01:35:10,140
off from Planet Earth and that's a

2094
01:35:15,830 --> 01:35:12,750
hundred feet in diameter and it's it's a

2095
01:35:18,140 --> 01:35:15,840
ball and it goes off into the atman the

2096
01:35:20,630 --> 01:35:18,150
ground and goes up into space right in

2097
01:35:25,250 --> 01:35:20,640
front of you what are you seeing how do

2098
01:35:28,970 --> 01:35:25,260
you explain that away you could be

2099
01:35:31,250 --> 01:35:28,980
looking at a genuine ET craft you could

2100
01:35:33,890 --> 01:35:31,260
be looking at something military that

2101
01:35:35,540 --> 01:35:33,900
doesn't have any structure there's just

2102
01:35:37,250 --> 01:35:35,550
no telling what that could be I don't

2103
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:37,260
know what that would be but I would just

2104
01:35:43,130 --> 01:35:40,410
refer back to Ben rich who talked about

2105
01:35:44,780 --> 01:35:43,140
technologies craft that we have that are

2106
01:35:47,390 --> 01:35:44,790
50 B years beyond what we could

2107
01:35:49,550 --> 01:35:47,400
comprehend not not that what we have but

2108
01:35:52,490 --> 01:35:49,560
that what we could comprehend he talked

2109
01:35:54,590 --> 01:35:52,500
about Star Trek being there done there

2110
01:35:56,420 --> 01:35:54,600
and doing that so anything you see in

2111
01:35:58,400 --> 01:35:56,430
Star Wars anything you see in Star Trek

2112
01:36:01,160 --> 01:35:58,410
it's already been done by the skunk

2113
01:36:03,530 --> 01:36:01,170
workers even been said that anything you

2114
01:36:06,650 --> 01:36:03,540
can imagine the skunk works can do and

2115
01:36:08,810 --> 01:36:06,660
they can do it they are at the best of

2116
01:36:11,480 --> 01:36:08,820
the best and I always found it very

2117
01:36:14,450 --> 01:36:11,490
interesting that in the middle 1990s of

2118
01:36:16,460 --> 01:36:14,460
all the defense contractors that

2119
01:36:18,770 --> 01:36:16,470
Lockheed could have merged with they

2120
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:18,780
picked Martin corporation the Martin

2121
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:20,130
Marietta corporation

2122
01:36:25,100 --> 01:36:22,770
become Lockheed Martin Martin if you've

2123
01:36:27,260 --> 01:36:25,110
done any research on that company was

2124
01:36:29,870 --> 01:36:27,270
the one that was spearheading to gravity

2125
01:36:32,750 --> 01:36:29,880
research in the 1950s that's borne out

2126
01:36:36,110 --> 01:36:32,760
by Nick cooks book hunt for zero-point

2127
01:36:38,390 --> 01:36:36,120
so these two forces joined up and this

2128
01:36:41,899 --> 01:36:38,400
is perhaps what Mark is talking about

2129
01:36:43,459 --> 01:36:41,909
when we believe that Lockheed is is the

2130
01:36:47,180 --> 01:36:43,469
prime contractor for a lot of these

2131
01:36:50,419 --> 01:36:47,190
vehicles now again back to Greer and the

2132
01:36:53,450 --> 01:36:50,429
ce-5 stuff well not just but he's

2133
01:36:54,860 --> 01:36:53,460
certainly made it very visible to us but

2134
01:36:57,290 --> 01:36:54,870
when you are going out with a large

2135
01:36:59,720 --> 01:36:57,300
group of people and summoning these

2136
01:37:02,090 --> 01:36:59,730
craft and then you start seeing things

2137
01:37:06,229 --> 01:37:02,100
in the sky and they appear and they're

2138
01:37:09,590 --> 01:37:06,239
doing a show for you is beer is Greer

2139
01:37:12,500 --> 01:37:09,600
correct it is a it's a fantastic thing

2140
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:12,510
to witness but what am I going out on a

2141
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:14,610
Jimmy because I haven't seen it I don't

2142
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:16,530
know I'm not the world's authority on

2143
01:37:21,890 --> 01:37:20,370
what might be done in a ce-5 initiative

2144
01:37:25,189 --> 01:37:21,900
and I just don't feel qualified to

2145
01:37:27,470 --> 01:37:25,199
discuss it well that's fair enough but

2146
01:37:29,149 --> 01:37:27,480
how does that mean when you hear that

2147
01:37:32,510 --> 01:37:29,159
though that's the thing when you hear

2148
01:37:35,990 --> 01:37:32,520
that what do you think is is going on is

2149
01:37:39,350 --> 01:37:36,000
it is it interdimensional is it you know

2150
01:37:42,620 --> 01:37:39,360
I have no idea but it certainly is real

2151
01:37:44,870 --> 01:37:42,630
this is not something that is fictitious

2152
01:37:47,330 --> 01:37:44,880
or imaginary this stuff actually happens

2153
01:37:51,169 --> 01:37:47,340
all I would say is we have the

2154
01:37:53,750 --> 01:37:51,179
technology now to mimic the form fit and

2155
01:37:55,370 --> 01:37:53,760
function of et vehicles and you would

2156
01:37:58,040 --> 01:37:55,380
never know the difference we've already

2157
01:38:00,680 --> 01:37:58,050
cited many examples here the triangles

2158
01:38:03,860 --> 01:38:00,690
the boomerangs the cigar shaped craft

2159
01:38:06,919 --> 01:38:03,870
the traW the pyramidal type craft at

2160
01:38:09,229 --> 01:38:06,929
least twelve other sources um you can't

2161
01:38:10,850 --> 01:38:09,239
tell who's who anymore that's the way

2162
01:38:12,740 --> 01:38:10,860
they want it that's the way they want it

2163
01:38:14,390 --> 01:38:12,750
and they do it because they can there's

2164
01:38:15,860 --> 01:38:14,400
no question you cannot tell the

2165
01:38:18,860 --> 01:38:15,870
difference at this point it looks

2166
01:38:20,990 --> 01:38:18,870
identical now with all of your aerospace

2167
01:38:22,700 --> 01:38:21,000
guys we have about three minutes before

2168
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:22,710
the next break with all of your

2169
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:26,170
aerospace contacts out there have

2170
01:38:34,729 --> 01:38:29,770
has anybody ever suggested that they

2171
01:38:37,229 --> 01:38:34,739
have been exposed to a ET type of

2172
01:38:40,229 --> 01:38:37,239
projects or technology out there that

2173
01:38:43,979 --> 01:38:40,239
that the president wouldn't know about

2174
01:38:45,890 --> 01:38:43,989
um if you if you interview these skunk

2175
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:45,900
workers they're very straight-laced

2176
01:38:50,370 --> 01:38:48,130
individuals right they follow a

2177
01:38:52,530 --> 01:38:50,380
conservative path although what they

2178
01:38:55,350 --> 01:38:52,540
design and build may not be conservative

2179
01:38:58,350 --> 01:38:55,360
these guys are the real deal they're

2180
01:39:00,390 --> 01:38:58,360
straight shooters they have not told me

2181
01:39:03,149 --> 01:39:00,400
anything like that I have not run into

2182
01:39:05,250 --> 01:39:03,159
any skunk works engineers who have made

2183
01:39:08,209 --> 01:39:05,260
those statements no I have not and then

2184
01:39:11,189 --> 01:39:08,219
we have the other question of not only

2185
01:39:15,419 --> 01:39:11,199
stealth materials but composite

2186
01:39:18,149 --> 01:39:15,429
materials light stuff carbon fibers it

2187
01:39:21,750 --> 01:39:18,159
was certainly Kevlar and the leap that

2188
01:39:23,870 --> 01:39:21,760
happened after 1947 not directly

2189
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:23,880
referencing Corso but we can go to the

2190
01:39:30,030 --> 01:39:26,770
historical record and see that after

2191
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:30,040
1947 all bets were off it just seemed

2192
01:39:36,180 --> 01:39:32,290
like we had this leap in technology on

2193
01:39:37,830 --> 01:39:36,190
all fronts of Industry well what I would

2194
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:37,840
say to that and you talked a little bit

2195
01:39:42,540 --> 01:39:39,850
about stealth right there when we're

2196
01:39:45,570 --> 01:39:42,550
talking about the f-22 for example at

2197
01:39:46,410 --> 01:39:45,580
one time that program was shrouded in

2198
01:39:48,899 --> 01:39:46,420
secrecy

2199
01:39:51,689 --> 01:39:48,909
the f-22 was a very classified program

2200
01:39:54,990 --> 01:39:51,699
now we've already stated that the cost

2201
01:39:57,359 --> 01:39:55,000
of the f-22 is 412 million dollars per

2202
01:40:00,629 --> 01:39:57,369
plane right I'm asking and others have

2203
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:00,639
asked this too is our some repeat some

2204
01:40:06,330 --> 01:40:03,730
black programs being used as a

2205
01:40:08,970 --> 01:40:06,340
sacrificial lamb to hide the funding of

2206
01:40:10,979 --> 01:40:08,980
other programs that's a possibility we

2207
01:40:12,660 --> 01:40:10,989
need to explore as well yeah very

2208
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:12,670
interesting we're going to take a break

2209
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right here and we'll open up the phone

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lines too as well when we come back

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this is fade to black our guest tonight

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Michael shraddh Private Pilot military

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aerospace historian an all-around smart

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guy I'm your host Jimmy church on the

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2293
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2294
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2295
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:23,880
Stratton immunity Church opening of the

2296
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2297
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five five zero four five now Michael

2298
01:44:36,470 --> 01:44:32,400
before we get to the phone calls right

2299
01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:36,480
Aurora what's going on it that was that

2300
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:39,810
was the thing and hasn't been talked

2301
01:44:44,270 --> 01:44:41,730
about it seems like in ten years

2302
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:44,280
what's going on with Aurora sure here

2303
01:44:49,580 --> 01:44:46,410
okay let me try to address this that the

2304
01:44:51,650 --> 01:44:49,590
best way I can after the January 28th

2305
01:44:55,550 --> 01:44:51,660
explosion of the Challenger Space

2306
01:44:57,710 --> 01:44:55,560
Shuttle on the US Air Force Department

2307
01:45:00,260 --> 01:44:57,720
of Defense they lost what they called

2308
01:45:00,860 --> 01:45:00,270
their assured access to space let me

2309
01:45:03,890 --> 01:45:00,870
repeat that

2310
01:45:06,170 --> 01:45:03,900
they lost their assured access to space

2311
01:45:09,650 --> 01:45:06,180
that is actually an industry term that

2312
01:45:11,930 --> 01:45:09,660
they use because NASA in its own charter

2313
01:45:13,550 --> 01:45:11,940
admitted that it is not a civilian

2314
01:45:17,420 --> 01:45:13,560
agency but is in point of fact a

2315
01:45:20,020 --> 01:45:17,430
military agency and over 70% of shuttle

2316
01:45:22,820 --> 01:45:20,030
cargoes were military satellites

2317
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:22,830
military applications military cargo so

2318
01:45:27,380 --> 01:45:24,570
that's the first thing we need to keep

2319
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:27,390
in mind immediately after Challenger

2320
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:31,770
exploded there was a coincidental just

2321
01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:35,370
can't call it a destruction but a loss

2322
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:38,250
of Titan boosters as well because they

2323
01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:40,410
lost the shuttle now since the shuttle

2324
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:42,330
was out of commission they transferred

2325
01:45:44,450 --> 01:45:44,010
over to Titan boosters and wouldn't you

2326
01:45:46,540 --> 01:45:44,460
know it

2327
01:45:48,770 --> 01:45:46,550
they had Titan booster failures

2328
01:45:50,710 --> 01:45:48,780
coinciding with the Challenger explosion

2329
01:45:53,630 --> 01:45:50,720
so they were out of business completely

2330
01:45:57,170 --> 01:45:53,640
in 1986 they were out of business

2331
01:46:00,170 --> 01:45:57,180
completely now I got this from basically

2332
01:46:04,070 --> 01:46:00,180
not only Bill Scott but uh James petty

2333
01:46:07,490 --> 01:46:04,080
who is also the senior basically he was

2334
01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:07,500
the senior eyewitness in this case word

2335
01:46:12,940 --> 01:46:09,330
went out to the defense contractors

2336
01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:12,950
including Lockheed Boeing McDonnell

2337
01:46:19,850 --> 01:46:16,850
Douglas to build a Rapid Response

2338
01:46:23,120 --> 01:46:19,860
two-stage to orbit space plane system

2339
01:46:25,970 --> 01:46:23,130
that could launch rods from God that had

2340
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:25,980
depleted uranium rods and then I've

2341
01:46:31,220 --> 01:46:28,890
very high powerful low-earth orbit

2342
01:46:33,440 --> 01:46:31,230
satellites with optics that would just

2343
01:46:36,290 --> 01:46:33,450
blow anything away this was kind of the

2344
01:46:39,110 --> 01:46:36,300
mandate and so what is believed to have

2345
01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:39,120
happened is Boeing was involved

2346
01:46:44,900 --> 01:46:42,690
McDonnell Douglas was involved Lockheed

2347
01:46:48,860 --> 01:46:44,910
was involved and they built at least one

2348
01:46:51,260 --> 01:46:48,870
and perhaps at least two two-stage to

2349
01:46:54,650 --> 01:46:51,270
orbit space plane systems which is

2350
01:46:57,800 --> 01:46:54,660
called the xb-70 valkyrie or this super

2351
01:47:00,680 --> 01:46:57,810
xb-70 something that is about 200 feet

2352
01:47:04,250 --> 01:47:00,690
in length it has 120 foot wingspan and

2353
01:47:07,610 --> 01:47:04,260
the smaller xov or experimental orbital

2354
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:07,620
vehicle fits conformally on the

2355
01:47:12,410 --> 01:47:09,810
underbelly of this craft and is dropped

2356
01:47:15,140 --> 01:47:12,420
from the ability of the mothership

2357
01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:15,150
that's the launching mechanism for this

2358
01:47:20,030 --> 01:47:17,489
particular craft so if if people who are

2359
01:47:22,700 --> 01:47:20,040
listening to this broadcast if you can

2360
01:47:25,550 --> 01:47:22,710
picture an ice-cream scooper right and

2361
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:25,560
you take the xb-70 and you start

2362
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:27,690
relieving the bottom section of the

2363
01:47:32,180 --> 01:47:30,090
xb-70 that's over at the Air Force

2364
01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:32,190
Museum in Dayton Ohio I've seen that's

2365
01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:34,770
essentially what you've got with this

2366
01:47:41,510 --> 01:47:37,050
two-stage orbit space plane system now

2367
01:47:44,120 --> 01:47:41,520
the smaller xov craft contains four

2368
01:47:47,630 --> 01:47:44,130
linear aerospike engines that are

2369
01:47:51,410 --> 01:47:47,640
grouped in two banks that was seen by an

2370
01:47:53,420 --> 01:47:51,420
f-15 pilot back in 1994 at Holloman Air

2371
01:47:56,780 --> 01:47:53,430
Force Base and so that is a kind of a

2372
01:47:58,370 --> 01:47:56,790
brief overview of what may be termed the

2373
01:48:00,470 --> 01:47:58,380
aurora but in this particular case

2374
01:48:03,200 --> 01:48:00,480
according to Bill Scott it was called

2375
01:48:05,270 --> 01:48:03,210
the black star program now a here in

2376
01:48:09,050 --> 01:48:05,280
Southern California we had sonic booms

2377
01:48:13,910 --> 01:48:09,060
it seemed like every day certainly I

2378
01:48:15,860 --> 01:48:13,920
remember the summer of 84 85 86 like

2379
01:48:18,200 --> 01:48:15,870
right through that period we had them

2380
01:48:20,930 --> 01:48:18,210
all day long and and we just stopped

2381
01:48:23,180 --> 01:48:20,940
talking about it they were so common no

2382
01:48:26,990 --> 01:48:23,190
mention of space shuttles right but we

2383
01:48:29,320 --> 01:48:27,000
had these sonic booms and everybody was

2384
01:48:33,020 --> 01:48:29,330
talking about the Aurora but now done

2385
01:48:36,770 --> 01:48:33,030
that just recently we've had these new

2386
01:48:37,820 --> 01:48:36,780
hangars built out at area 51 huge and

2387
01:48:39,440 --> 01:48:37,830
you've seen them

2388
01:48:41,420 --> 01:48:39,450
what are those being built

2389
01:48:45,710 --> 01:48:41,430
for there it's almost too big for the

2390
01:48:48,020 --> 01:48:45,720
Aurora if you have a massive xb-70 now

2391
01:48:51,890 --> 01:48:48,030
I'm not just talking about the xb-70 I'm

2392
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:51,900
talking about a super xb-70 something

2393
01:48:57,050 --> 01:48:54,930
that was called quote elegant lady right

2394
01:48:59,600 --> 01:48:57,060
for those who know the inside track if

2395
01:49:02,390 --> 01:48:59,610
this thing is big I can't stress this

2396
01:49:06,110 --> 01:49:02,400
enough this thing is massive it has to

2397
01:49:09,410 --> 01:49:06,120
be big enough to support a 90 foot long

2398
01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:09,420
xov because there's two sizes of the xov

2399
01:49:14,570 --> 01:49:12,210
60 and 90 feet across right so this

2400
01:49:17,390 --> 01:49:14,580
thing is nothing short of gargantuan

2401
01:49:18,830 --> 01:49:17,400
right right huge in size what would you

2402
01:49:21,950 --> 01:49:18,840
need to do well you need to have a

2403
01:49:23,690 --> 01:49:21,960
mating in a D mating section for a craft

2404
01:49:26,210 --> 01:49:23,700
like that that might explain those big

2405
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:26,220
hangers well you remember Bob Lazar when

2406
01:49:30,140 --> 01:49:27,930
he described that aircraft that was

2407
01:49:31,850 --> 01:49:30,150
sitting on the runway that he thought

2408
01:49:35,330 --> 01:49:31,860
might have been the Aurora but he also

2409
01:49:39,050 --> 01:49:35,340
said it was Gigantor it was huge it was

2410
01:49:42,110 --> 01:49:39,060
huge right now uh well you know what

2411
01:49:44,420 --> 01:49:42,120
well everything for the size Jimmy yes

2412
01:49:47,480 --> 01:49:44,430
because you when you're using a gelled

2413
01:49:50,360 --> 01:49:47,490
boron fuel that has the consistency of

2414
01:49:53,270 --> 01:49:50,370
toothpaste you need to have the interior

2415
01:49:55,580 --> 01:49:53,280
volume large enough to support that fuel

2416
01:49:57,590 --> 01:49:55,590
right that's why these things are so big

2417
01:49:59,120 --> 01:49:57,600
let's uh let's go to the phone's got a

2418
01:50:00,830 --> 01:49:59,130
bunch of phone calls waiting hi you're

2419
01:50:01,570 --> 01:50:00,840
live on fade to black say hi to Michael

2420
01:50:04,370 --> 01:50:01,580
Trapp

2421
01:50:07,070 --> 01:50:04,380
yeah hi Michael this quiet in Houston

2422
01:50:09,710 --> 01:50:07,080
Texas hey I don't want to add something

2423
01:50:12,050 --> 01:50:09,720
to your show I hope I can about the

2424
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:12,060
government hiding things yes this is

2425
01:50:16,630 --> 01:50:13,530
this is a little bit different but

2426
01:50:19,130 --> 01:50:16,640
anyway in in the late 60s they had

2427
01:50:22,160 --> 01:50:19,140
Wilkinson Sword was a company that made

2428
01:50:25,790 --> 01:50:22,170
razor blades and they gave away samples

2429
01:50:27,710 --> 01:50:25,800
in Brooklyn and Manhattan girls his hand

2430
01:50:29,780 --> 01:50:27,720
on the corner names handed out samples

2431
01:50:32,240 --> 01:50:29,790
and I took a couple those homes and

2432
01:50:35,660 --> 01:50:32,250
those damn razor blades lasted for weeks

2433
01:50:37,970 --> 01:50:35,670
not even weeks and I shaved every day

2434
01:50:40,340 --> 01:50:37,980
when you went out when their little

2435
01:50:41,750 --> 01:50:40,350
giveaway campaign was over and you went

2436
01:50:43,940 --> 01:50:41,760
out but the regular ones

2437
01:50:47,450 --> 01:50:43,950
I don't stamp things in last four or

2438
01:50:49,580 --> 01:50:47,460
five shades they got technology if they

2439
01:50:52,040 --> 01:50:49,590
have it in razor blades that they've

2440
01:50:53,300 --> 01:50:52,050
never given to us can you just imagine

2441
01:50:56,540 --> 01:50:53,310
what else they have

2442
01:50:58,850 --> 01:50:56,550
the reason they don't it cost it would

2443
01:51:00,620 --> 01:50:58,860
cost them billions of dollars think of

2444
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:00,630
the industries that would go down the

2445
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:03,810
tube if they turn was just anti-gravity

2446
01:51:08,810 --> 01:51:06,810
the automobile industry tires just

2447
01:51:09,320 --> 01:51:08,820
everything they're not going to give it

2448
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:09,330
to us

2449
01:51:13,990 --> 01:51:11,610
thank you guys yeah thank you for the

2450
01:51:16,520 --> 01:51:14,000
phone call cliff yeah excellent point

2451
01:51:18,650 --> 01:51:16,530
Michael he's on track he's on track Yeah

2452
01:51:21,050 --> 01:51:18,660
right he's got it he gets it he gets it

2453
01:51:22,580 --> 01:51:21,060
let's go back to the phones how your

2454
01:51:25,790 --> 01:51:22,590
life on fade to black say hi to Michael

2455
01:51:28,730 --> 01:51:25,800
Shrek uncle how are you doing tonight

2456
01:51:32,330 --> 01:51:28,740
brother hi glad to be with you Jimmy

2457
01:51:33,410 --> 01:51:32,340
this is Ben from Bristol hey hull pen

2458
01:51:35,330 --> 01:51:33,420
how are you Ben

2459
01:51:38,480 --> 01:51:35,340
I'll tell Michael there you are after

2460
01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:38,490
after you're done Oh Ben before we move

2461
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:38,970
on

2462
01:51:47,420 --> 01:51:42,810
dude Jr what is this going to do to

2463
01:51:50,630 --> 01:51:47,430
NASCAR man major impact on the sport

2464
01:51:52,520 --> 01:51:50,640
major impact Michael I'll just tell you

2465
01:51:54,200 --> 01:51:52,530
this has been from Bristol Motor

2466
01:51:57,050 --> 01:51:54,210
Speedway vice president out there

2467
01:52:01,040 --> 01:51:57,060
Bristol Motor Speedway a big listener to

2468
01:52:03,140 --> 01:52:01,050
the show but it knows his stuff so Ben

2469
01:52:06,710 --> 01:52:03,150
what's your question for Michael hi guy

2470
01:52:08,630 --> 01:52:06,720
I got to hear this yeah so I'm listening

2471
01:52:11,390 --> 01:52:08,640
to your show tonight really really great

2472
01:52:13,400 --> 01:52:11,400
really great stuff going on so I wanted

2473
01:52:19,460 --> 01:52:13,410
to go back I'm going to go back to 1980

2474
01:52:22,370 --> 01:52:19,470
Michael and so I grew up in basically

2475
01:52:25,340 --> 01:52:22,380
Appalachia in Eastern Kentucky before I

2476
01:52:28,910 --> 01:52:25,350
move down to Bristol and I had an

2477
01:52:31,730 --> 01:52:28,920
experience in 1980 when I saw a

2478
01:52:33,830 --> 01:52:31,740
triangular craft come over our mountains

2479
01:52:36,170 --> 01:52:33,840
of my save mountains here our mountains

2480
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:36,180
are really they're tightly knitted

2481
01:52:40,580 --> 01:52:38,610
basically you have a hillside and it

2482
01:52:42,410 --> 01:52:40,590
comes down it goes into a river and then

2483
01:52:43,970 --> 01:52:42,420
there may be a railroad attracting the

2484
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:43,980
highway and then it goes back up the

2485
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:46,770
other side but anyway this this is

2486
01:52:54,530 --> 01:52:50,330
probably what got me interested in UFOs

2487
01:52:57,500 --> 01:52:54,540
paranormal whatever but um but saw this

2488
01:53:00,200 --> 01:52:57,510
craft come over the mountains and and it

2489
01:53:03,890 --> 01:53:00,210
was extremely slow-moving triangular

2490
01:53:06,470 --> 01:53:03,900
inch light it's in shape and then it

2491
01:53:11,150 --> 01:53:06,480
came across the mountains and then it

2492
01:53:13,220 --> 01:53:11,160
um it made an abrupt 45-degree angle

2493
01:53:15,020 --> 01:53:13,230
turned it didn't Bank it didn't do

2494
01:53:18,979 --> 01:53:15,030
anything but it was very low to the

2495
01:53:20,660 --> 01:53:18,989
ground uh some public when I went out

2496
01:53:23,030 --> 01:53:20,670
when I hear about the Phoenix lights it

2497
01:53:25,550 --> 01:53:23,040
almost it is almost is similar to

2498
01:53:27,680 --> 01:53:25,560
something like that and I always in the

2499
01:53:30,770 --> 01:53:27,690
back of my mind I always said you know

2500
01:53:32,450 --> 01:53:30,780
that's something that is military and

2501
01:53:36,020 --> 01:53:32,460
I'm thinking you know where were we in

2502
01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:36,030
1980 with regards to craft that could

2503
01:53:43,220 --> 01:53:40,290
move slowly without any sound but could

2504
01:53:45,440 --> 01:53:43,230
make an abrupt movement like that yeah

2505
01:53:50,450 --> 01:53:45,450
hey man how would that mean how big was

2506
01:53:52,729 --> 01:53:50,460
it man it was big it was um it was I'm

2507
01:53:56,110 --> 01:53:52,739
going to say Jimmy I'm telling you it

2508
01:53:58,490 --> 01:53:56,120
was probably I would say three times a

2509
01:54:00,760 --> 01:53:58,500
airliner you know three three times

2510
01:54:04,150 --> 01:54:00,770
you're seven 40s at that time let's say

2511
01:54:07,310 --> 01:54:04,160
747 that's three three times this yeah

2512
01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:07,320
Michael what's the wingspan on a 747

2513
01:54:14,390 --> 01:54:10,530
oh I'm not sure offhand it's big got to

2514
01:54:16,160 --> 01:54:14,400
be 200 feet I would think right so he's

2515
01:54:20,630 --> 01:54:16,170
talking about a craft six hundred eight

2516
01:54:24,050 --> 01:54:20,640
hundred feet across again very similar

2517
01:54:25,870 --> 01:54:24,060
to other reports but this is 1980 over

2518
01:54:30,740 --> 01:54:25,880
the Appalachian Mountains

2519
01:54:33,530 --> 01:54:30,750
yes earlier I was from North Carolina oh

2520
01:54:38,090 --> 01:54:33,540
boy from 1975 but it wasn't as big as

2521
01:54:40,070 --> 01:54:38,100
this gentleman stating right yeah and

2522
01:54:43,750 --> 01:54:40,080
when you hear something like this

2523
01:54:46,820 --> 01:54:43,760
Michael again what are you feeling

2524
01:54:49,130 --> 01:54:46,830
another black project where we were read

2525
01:54:51,620 --> 01:54:49,140
that far along in 1980 with something

2526
01:54:54,380 --> 01:54:51,630
like that I would say yes because of the

2527
01:54:57,200 --> 01:54:54,390
statements made by Ben rich right you

2528
01:54:58,640 --> 01:54:57,210
know if we're that far advanced and not

2529
01:55:00,770 --> 01:54:58,650
just what we could build but what we

2530
01:55:03,080 --> 01:55:00,780
could comprehend so going back to 1980

2531
01:55:05,660 --> 01:55:03,090
yes we would have that technology Ben

2532
01:55:06,979 --> 01:55:05,670
that's an extraordinary sighting and I

2533
01:55:09,110 --> 01:55:06,989
don't think you've ever told us about

2534
01:55:10,970 --> 01:55:09,120
that is this something I do I never have

2535
01:55:13,010 --> 01:55:10,980
Jimmy that and and and we you know I've

2536
01:55:14,630 --> 01:55:13,020
always told you that I wanted to discuss

2537
01:55:17,750 --> 01:55:14,640
about you know walk out me in on this

2538
01:55:19,640 --> 01:55:17,760
right at the get-go but um but yeah it

2539
01:55:20,120 --> 01:55:19,650
was really interesting because there was

2540
01:55:27,320 --> 01:55:20,130
no

2541
01:55:31,610 --> 01:55:27,330
movement of the craft that impressed me

2542
01:55:34,459 --> 01:55:31,620
so much I mean I am any window or

2543
01:55:35,959 --> 01:55:34,469
anything I can I can go into it more in

2544
01:55:38,090 --> 01:55:35,969
depth somewhere down the road you know

2545
01:55:41,750 --> 01:55:38,100
I'm sure upon or something sure but uh

2546
01:55:45,290 --> 01:55:41,760
but it just made it an abrupt movement

2547
01:55:48,290 --> 01:55:45,300
like at an exact angle it didn't stop it

2548
01:55:51,649 --> 01:55:48,300
didn't bank it didn't turn it moved and

2549
01:55:54,200 --> 01:55:51,659
then it moved literally in a 45-degree

2550
01:55:57,050 --> 01:55:54,210
angle and it just cut and just kind of

2551
01:55:59,090 --> 01:55:57,060
went on across the sky yeah again it

2552
01:56:02,330 --> 01:55:59,100
didn't Bane had multiple people that saw

2553
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:02,340
the same thing too so Wow but I never

2554
01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:04,010
reported it I didn't know any better

2555
01:56:08,990 --> 01:56:07,050
that age so are the other board of

2556
01:56:11,750 --> 01:56:09,000
directors at Bristol going to pull you

2557
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:11,760
in a room you know tomorrow morning and

2558
01:56:15,470 --> 01:56:13,770
go BAM we got to talk about what's going

2559
01:56:17,930 --> 01:56:15,480
on in your life man we were listening to

2560
01:56:22,790 --> 01:56:17,940
Fay de Blasio yeah I don't I don't care

2561
01:56:24,979 --> 01:56:22,800
if they do really I'm straight up man

2562
01:56:27,560 --> 01:56:24,989
then thank you for that thank you for

2563
01:56:29,270 --> 01:56:27,570
the phone call and and again I don't

2564
01:56:32,479 --> 01:56:29,280
know what NASCAR's going to do next year

2565
01:56:34,220 --> 01:56:32,489
man I mean seriously I mean we got we

2566
01:56:36,979 --> 01:56:34,230
went through this with kale we went

2567
01:56:39,350 --> 01:56:36,989
through this with wood dale senior or

2568
01:56:41,540 --> 01:56:39,360
richard petty you know when when when

2569
01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:41,550
these guys only stewart last year right

2570
01:56:46,459 --> 01:56:43,530
and on the Gorgons ear before yeah i

2571
01:56:48,470 --> 01:56:46,469
mean it's a it's a it's certainly a

2572
01:56:50,060 --> 01:56:48,480
movement through the sport that we're

2573
01:56:52,250 --> 01:56:50,070
going through right now where you're

2574
01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:52,260
needing to us you're in the younger

2575
01:56:56,479 --> 01:56:54,570
crowd and fortunately we saw a younger

2576
01:56:59,300 --> 01:56:56,489
guy win this past weekend at Talladega

2577
01:57:01,850 --> 01:56:59,310
so yeah well who knows well you know I'm

2578
01:57:03,459 --> 01:57:01,860
Michael I have to ask my NASCAR stuff

2579
01:57:05,330 --> 01:57:03,469
all I've got been on your father

2580
01:57:07,990 --> 01:57:05,340
who's going to be the next superstar

2581
01:57:11,209 --> 01:57:08,000
who's going to be the next junior I

2582
01:57:13,160 --> 01:57:11,219
don't know I know right I think chase

2583
01:57:15,830 --> 01:57:13,170
Elliott has a really good opportunity to

2584
01:57:17,240 --> 01:57:15,840
step up and be that person but he was on

2585
01:57:19,550 --> 01:57:17,250
his roof for there you know this past

2586
01:57:21,379 --> 01:57:19,560
weekend but um but he's that you know he

2587
01:57:24,590 --> 01:57:21,389
has that guy who can carry on the name

2588
01:57:26,300 --> 01:57:24,600
and then you have you have a you know

2589
01:57:28,910 --> 01:57:26,310
Ricky Stenhouse who won you know a

2590
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:28,920
Talladega there's there some guys there

2591
01:57:32,270 --> 01:57:30,810
will be bringing it on and they'll keep

2592
01:57:33,650 --> 01:57:32,280
the motors turning and will keep on

2593
01:57:35,330 --> 01:57:33,660
pluggin yeah we go through

2594
01:57:38,060 --> 01:57:35,340
every time one of the you know the the

2595
01:57:39,770 --> 01:57:38,070
big guy retires every year but and and

2596
01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:39,780
you know oh it's going to be the death

2597
01:57:46,040 --> 01:57:42,690
of you know it you know picked a pic

2598
01:57:47,330 --> 01:57:46,050
pick the the auto racing format it

2599
01:57:49,520 --> 01:57:47,340
doesn't matter if it's Formula One

2600
01:57:52,940 --> 01:57:49,530
NASCAR Indy doesn't matter oh sure yeah

2601
01:57:56,090 --> 01:57:52,950
but but with with NASCAR this time

2602
01:57:58,190 --> 01:57:56,100
around I have to say they must be

2603
01:58:01,190 --> 01:57:58,200
freaking out they've got to wonder about

2604
01:58:04,790 --> 01:58:01,200
ticket sales and and and everything else

2605
01:58:07,360 --> 01:58:04,800
because jr. is just such a force and his

2606
01:58:10,130 --> 01:58:07,370
fanbase is huge it's huge

2607
01:58:12,260 --> 01:58:10,140
he is you know the good part about is is

2608
01:58:14,570 --> 01:58:12,270
that he has his Motorsports came in base

2609
01:58:15,680 --> 01:58:14,580
and he's going to stick around sport and

2610
01:58:18,410 --> 01:58:15,690
he's going to continue to fill the

2611
01:58:21,110 --> 01:58:18,420
drivers that he feels and I think that

2612
01:58:23,660 --> 01:58:21,120
you know that everything will be well

2613
01:58:25,970 --> 01:58:23,670
off you know in the long run but it's

2614
01:58:27,890 --> 01:58:25,980
really interesting time well it is

2615
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:27,900
because he is really to be honest with

2616
01:58:32,540 --> 01:58:30,810
you Jimmy I was really surprised between

2617
01:58:34,730 --> 01:58:32,550
me and you and the fence posts that he

2618
01:58:36,110 --> 01:58:34,740
came back this year after what he went

2619
01:58:38,270 --> 01:58:36,120
through last year with the concussion

2620
01:58:40,910 --> 01:58:38,280
and all that well there's that part of

2621
01:58:43,220 --> 01:58:40,920
that but he's still a kid we look at him

2622
01:58:45,110 --> 01:58:43,230
as being junior right he still it can be

2623
01:58:47,930 --> 01:58:45,120
still very young and it took us all by

2624
01:58:50,590 --> 01:58:47,940
surprise that the other thing for me

2625
01:58:53,930 --> 01:58:50,600
because you know I'm a junior guy I

2626
01:58:56,960 --> 01:58:53,940
wanted him to have the breakout year

2627
01:58:59,060 --> 01:58:56,970
where he just won every single race ran

2628
01:59:01,790 --> 01:58:59,070
away with the championship and laughed

2629
01:59:04,610 --> 01:59:01,800
and won and did all of those things and

2630
01:59:07,550 --> 01:59:04,620
I feel like it's it's a little premature

2631
01:59:09,170 --> 01:59:07,560
and it's left us you know wanting you

2632
01:59:11,750 --> 01:59:09,180
know that's the thing he's too young to

2633
01:59:14,420 --> 01:59:11,760
we just needed that one year out of

2634
01:59:16,220 --> 01:59:14,430
junior yeah I'm with you

2635
01:59:18,950 --> 01:59:16,230
I hear you on clear my friends all right

2636
01:59:22,580 --> 01:59:18,960
well there's a conspiracy behind this I

2637
01:59:24,890 --> 01:59:22,590
know it hey Ben thank you so much man

2638
01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:24,900
give my best to your family all right

2639
01:59:28,250 --> 01:59:26,970
but hey Michael thanks me and I like I

2640
01:59:30,110 --> 01:59:28,260
said I still feel that that was a

2641
01:59:33,140 --> 01:59:30,120
military craft I don't think that that

2642
01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:33,150
was anything alien oriented I think that

2643
01:59:37,940 --> 01:59:34,890
was something that we were experimenting

2644
01:59:39,530 --> 01:59:37,950
with just uh but um enjoying the

2645
01:59:41,690 --> 01:59:39,540
conversation and not you guys keep it up

2646
01:59:43,550 --> 01:59:41,700
great job as always thanks a lot thanks

2647
01:59:44,750 --> 01:59:43,560
a lot yeah thank you so much Ben keep

2648
01:59:46,950 --> 01:59:44,760
listening because I'm going to continue

2649
01:59:48,300 --> 01:59:46,960
talking about you thank you so much

2650
01:59:51,140 --> 01:59:48,310
all right you got a brother robot you

2651
01:59:53,670 --> 01:59:51,150
got it now when somebody like been

2652
01:59:57,209 --> 01:59:53,680
Michael this is weird you know this is

2653
02:00:01,950 --> 01:59:57,219
this is a an executive at a major you

2654
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:01,960
know a racetrack here in the United

2655
02:00:07,950 --> 02:00:06,010
States you know he is you know a

2656
02:00:10,440 --> 02:00:07,960
professional and when he comes forward

2657
02:00:12,120 --> 02:00:10,450
like that it's just like any other not

2658
02:00:15,240 --> 02:00:12,130
you know not a whistle buddy somebody

2659
02:00:17,970 --> 02:00:15,250
with with cred and in a career behind

2660
02:00:20,340 --> 02:00:17,980
him but he doesn't care and he's coming

2661
02:00:22,200 --> 02:00:20,350
forward with something like this what

2662
02:00:24,450 --> 02:00:22,210
does that tell you about the other stuff

2663
02:00:27,090 --> 02:00:24,460
that has been reported over the years it

2664
02:00:29,400 --> 02:00:27,100
says that those cases are just as

2665
02:00:31,979 --> 02:00:29,410
reliable as his and I believe his case

2666
02:00:34,290 --> 02:00:31,989
absolutely Jimmy really quick getting

2667
02:00:36,360 --> 02:00:34,300
back to that Woodhead triangular UFO

2668
02:00:38,160 --> 02:00:36,370
that was seen in 1990 over Barnsley

2669
02:00:41,580 --> 02:00:38,170
england let me read you very quickly

2670
02:00:43,320 --> 02:00:41,590
what the eye witness stated now this is

2671
02:00:45,660 --> 02:00:43,330
coming directly from the eyewitness he

2672
02:00:48,030 --> 02:00:45,670
says here quote the side of the craft

2673
02:00:50,100 --> 02:00:48,040
appeared to have several illuminated

2674
02:00:52,530 --> 02:00:50,110
windows right and at one of the windows

2675
02:00:53,780 --> 02:00:52,540
I saw two two three figures that

2676
02:00:56,880 --> 02:00:53,790
appeared to be human

2677
02:00:58,800 --> 02:00:56,890
certainly nothing about the figures made

2678
02:01:01,560 --> 02:00:58,810
me think they were anything other than

2679
02:01:04,200 --> 02:01:01,570
human reinforcing my belief that the

2680
02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:04,210
craft was a military project yeah that's

2681
02:01:09,870 --> 02:01:06,010
why I was asking Ben if there was any

2682
02:01:12,959 --> 02:01:09,880
windows yep okay now moving on we've got

2683
02:01:14,550 --> 02:01:12,969
about ten minutes left and before we do

2684
02:01:17,220 --> 02:01:14,560
get to the end I want to thank you for

2685
02:01:18,780 --> 02:01:17,230
finding the time to come out with us

2686
02:01:21,750 --> 02:01:18,790
tonight and we will continue this

2687
02:01:23,459 --> 02:01:21,760
conversation on a future show but I want

2688
02:01:25,110 --> 02:01:23,469
to I want to bounce around a little bit

2689
02:01:27,540 --> 02:01:25,120
and and talk about some of these other

2690
02:01:30,990 --> 02:01:27,550
we were talking about the Aurora then we

2691
02:01:34,709 --> 02:01:31,000
have things like which see it seems to

2692
02:01:38,190 --> 02:01:34,719
me that the talk is quieted on these

2693
02:01:40,050 --> 02:01:38,200
different projects one the x-43a I

2694
02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:40,060
thought that that was going to take off

2695
02:01:44,100 --> 02:01:42,010
and was going to be a technology that we

2696
02:01:47,880 --> 02:01:44,110
will be talking about seeing witnessing

2697
02:01:50,760 --> 02:01:47,890
testing x-43a just kind of like has

2698
02:01:52,170 --> 02:01:50,770
disappeared mm well let's get back to

2699
02:01:55,440 --> 02:01:52,180
where we kind of started here when you

2700
02:01:58,950 --> 02:01:55,450
hear about X 40 X 43 Jimmy were already

2701
02:02:00,800 --> 02:01:58,960
beyond X 80 right already beyond that so

2702
02:02:03,740 --> 02:02:00,810
it's it's a done deal

2703
02:02:06,740 --> 02:02:03,750
what this is kind of a low Earth orbit

2704
02:02:08,780 --> 02:02:06,750
type vehicle this is this is already

2705
02:02:11,030 --> 02:02:08,790
dinosaur technology I'm just going to

2706
02:02:14,660 --> 02:02:11,040
state that right up front there already

2707
02:02:16,940 --> 02:02:14,670
probably way past x100 and there's

2708
02:02:19,640 --> 02:02:16,950
there's no idea what those particular

2709
02:02:21,680 --> 02:02:19,650
crafts look like I've just been told

2710
02:02:24,710 --> 02:02:21,690
that there's twice as many explains as

2711
02:02:28,460 --> 02:02:24,720
being reported what about the HJ f1 the

2712
02:02:31,460 --> 02:02:28,470
hyper Falcon do not know the S oh what

2713
02:02:34,490 --> 02:02:31,470
about the hyper soar that was a big one

2714
02:02:36,200 --> 02:02:34,500
everybody was talking about forever I'm

2715
02:02:38,630 --> 02:02:36,210
not a hundred percent sure what what

2716
02:02:40,520 --> 02:02:38,640
that is Jimmy I'm just not a hundred

2717
02:02:42,980 --> 02:02:40,530
percent sure what that is and see I mean

2718
02:02:45,410 --> 02:02:42,990
I need deep in all of the rumors man

2719
02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:45,420
I've did this all I do okay

2720
02:02:50,690 --> 02:02:48,330
now you said we're way beyond x80 the

2721
02:02:52,310 --> 02:02:50,700
the one that we did know about that was

2722
02:02:53,840 --> 02:02:52,320
being reported on for quite a long time

2723
02:02:57,020 --> 02:02:53,850
was the x51

2724
02:02:59,120 --> 02:02:57,030
a wave rider do you think that have

2725
02:03:03,050 --> 02:02:59,130
heard something about that right and

2726
02:03:05,660 --> 02:03:03,060
what I would say about that is and I

2727
02:03:07,850 --> 02:03:05,670
would lead it back to some of the fraud

2728
02:03:09,710 --> 02:03:07,860
waste and abuse and spending that we've

2729
02:03:12,950 --> 02:03:09,720
talked about now the timeline might be

2730
02:03:16,130 --> 02:03:12,960
off here but I want to just spend a few

2731
02:03:18,470 --> 02:03:16,140
seconds here on the f-35 Jimmy we have

2732
02:03:20,300 --> 02:03:18,480
to talk about the f-35 absolutely when

2733
02:03:24,760 --> 02:03:20,310
we talked about the b-2 stealth bomber

2734
02:03:27,800 --> 02:03:24,770
and how that thing was so concerned with

2735
02:03:31,070 --> 02:03:27,810
overpricing and things going out of

2736
02:03:34,130 --> 02:03:31,080
whack and the price just skyrocketing on

2737
02:03:37,820 --> 02:03:34,140
the b-2 stealth bomber that's nothing

2738
02:03:40,550 --> 02:03:37,830
compared to the f-35 the f-35 is the new

2739
02:03:42,470 --> 02:03:40,560
poster child for fraud waste and abuse

2740
02:03:44,330 --> 02:03:42,480
now how do we know that because 60

2741
02:03:46,820 --> 02:03:44,340
minutes reported and this is a

2742
02:03:48,890 --> 02:03:46,830
two-year-old report that the f-35 is

2743
02:03:50,870 --> 02:03:48,900
eight years behind schedule and a

2744
02:03:53,060 --> 02:03:50,880
hundred and sixty three billion dollars

2745
02:03:55,010 --> 02:03:53,070
over budget Jimmy how do you get

2746
02:03:57,350 --> 02:03:55,020
something a hundred and sixty three

2747
02:03:59,930 --> 02:03:57,360
billion dollars over budget how do you

2748
02:04:03,830 --> 02:03:59,940
do that can Lockheed Martin be that

2749
02:04:06,110 --> 02:04:03,840
inept and you know not following

2750
02:04:08,170 --> 02:04:06,120
procurement no something else is going

2751
02:04:11,840 --> 02:04:08,180
on right right right the answer is a

2752
02:04:12,920 --> 02:04:11,850
flat-out no right they can't be that

2753
02:04:14,510 --> 02:04:12,930
incompetent

2754
02:04:17,270 --> 02:04:14,520
to be that far

2755
02:04:19,190 --> 02:04:17,280
whack this thing is still not up and

2756
02:04:21,110 --> 02:04:19,200
running and operational there's no

2757
02:04:23,180 --> 02:04:21,120
telling when they'll get the gun for

2758
02:04:26,120 --> 02:04:23,190
this thing set up they said 2019 would

2759
02:04:27,560 --> 02:04:26,130
be the earliest and I want to just bring

2760
02:04:30,790 --> 02:04:27,570
your attention to something that was

2761
02:04:33,890 --> 02:04:30,800
reported in ecn news 8

2762
02:04:36,020 --> 02:04:33,900
4:14 here's what they said quote I'm

2763
02:04:39,350 --> 02:04:36,030
sure this comes as no surprise but the

2764
02:04:42,860 --> 02:04:39,360
f-35 Joint Strike Fighter is expensive

2765
02:04:44,750 --> 02:04:42,870
very expensive so expensive that

2766
02:04:47,180 --> 02:04:44,760
according to one estimate the money

2767
02:04:50,810 --> 02:04:47,190
spent on the program could buy every

2768
02:04:53,570 --> 02:04:50,820
homeless person in the USA a $600,000

2769
02:04:54,500 --> 02:04:53,580
mansion crazy isn't it when you think

2770
02:04:57,620 --> 02:04:54,510
about it like that

2771
02:05:00,590 --> 02:04:57,630
and over the weekend I saw the press

2772
02:05:03,500 --> 02:05:00,600
release on the f-35 the first one being

2773
02:05:05,960 --> 02:05:03,510
rolled out in Italy right did you see

2774
02:05:08,780 --> 02:05:05,970
that well I know that we're in too deep

2775
02:05:11,240 --> 02:05:08,790
now Jim Jimmy to to go back

2776
02:05:13,640 --> 02:05:11,250
we've already sunk so much into this

2777
02:05:17,720 --> 02:05:13,650
program there's no going back now even

2778
02:05:21,020 --> 02:05:17,730
even over the fact when Pierre sprey

2779
02:05:23,300 --> 02:05:21,030
says that the f-35 could never be a

2780
02:05:25,820 --> 02:05:23,310
replacement for the a-10 because it

2781
02:05:28,280 --> 02:05:25,830
can't loiter it can't turn it can't take

2782
02:05:31,940 --> 02:05:28,290
ground fire so what could this thing

2783
02:05:34,280 --> 02:05:31,950
actually do in a low altitude supporting

2784
02:05:36,950 --> 02:05:34,290
troop operation yeah it's a big question

2785
02:05:39,620 --> 02:05:36,960
and when we look at the dumping of this

2786
02:05:41,660 --> 02:05:39,630
money it's going somewhere and I

2787
02:05:44,810 --> 02:05:41,670
constantly go back and I want to remind

2788
02:05:49,160 --> 02:05:44,820
the audience all the time about the

2789
02:05:51,140 --> 02:05:49,170
x-37b the x-37b is real it's just you

2790
02:05:55,100 --> 02:05:51,150
know when you think about a two-year a

2791
02:05:57,650 --> 02:05:55,110
two-year mission what possibly could

2792
02:06:01,550 --> 02:05:57,660
that plane be up there doing in space

2793
02:06:04,580 --> 02:06:01,560
for two years good question I don't know

2794
02:06:08,840 --> 02:06:04,590
I don't know do you think that there is

2795
02:06:11,060 --> 02:06:08,850
a weaponization of space I think we've

2796
02:06:15,620 --> 02:06:11,070
got assets up there and we've had a subs

2797
02:06:17,330 --> 02:06:15,630
up there for decades we've got things in

2798
02:06:18,830 --> 02:06:17,340
low-earth orbit

2799
02:06:21,590 --> 02:06:18,840
whether you want to call it a secret

2800
02:06:24,110 --> 02:06:21,600
space program because if you've seen the

2801
02:06:26,480 --> 02:06:24,120
flight characteristics of the southern

2802
02:06:28,050 --> 02:06:26,490
Illinois triangle there's no reason why

2803
02:06:31,040 --> 02:06:28,060
those can't be EXO Atmos

2804
02:06:33,630 --> 02:06:31,050
tarek type vehicles do you think with

2805
02:06:37,200 --> 02:06:33,640
when we referenced the secret space

2806
02:06:39,870 --> 02:06:37,210
program I'll try to give this a try to

2807
02:06:41,880 --> 02:06:39,880
give this in before we have to break the

2808
02:06:45,060 --> 02:06:41,890
secret space program is running in

2809
02:06:47,130 --> 02:06:45,070
parallel with what we are doing now do

2810
02:06:49,710 --> 02:06:47,140
you think that there is something going

2811
02:06:53,580 --> 02:06:49,720
on on the moon do you think that we have

2812
02:06:55,950 --> 02:06:53,590
been back since Apollo they will never

2813
02:06:57,390 --> 02:06:55,960
acknowledge it but yes I think we've

2814
02:06:58,740 --> 02:06:57,400
been there yes they will never

2815
02:07:01,080 --> 02:06:58,750
acknowledge that you'll never get that

2816
02:07:04,290 --> 02:07:01,090
from an official source why do you why

2817
02:07:05,790 --> 02:07:04,300
do you think that the the the next trip

2818
02:07:08,130 --> 02:07:05,800
to the moon is probably going to be

2819
02:07:10,710 --> 02:07:08,140
privately funded right over the next

2820
02:07:13,980 --> 02:07:10,720
trip to Mars is going to be privately

2821
02:07:16,230 --> 02:07:13,990
funded does that tell you that we have

2822
02:07:19,410 --> 02:07:16,240
that that's an impossibility

2823
02:07:21,090 --> 02:07:19,420
right then you're probably right it's

2824
02:07:22,890 --> 02:07:21,100
going to be privately funded but if

2825
02:07:25,470 --> 02:07:22,900
they're using liquid rockets they're

2826
02:07:27,150 --> 02:07:25,480
already dinosaur technology so we've

2827
02:07:30,690 --> 02:07:27,160
already talked about that that it was

2828
02:07:32,880 --> 02:07:30,700
developed in 1943 timeframe during the

2829
02:07:36,300 --> 02:07:32,890
Third Reich why are we still using

2830
02:07:38,700 --> 02:07:36,310
liquid rockets there it's it's a it's a

2831
02:07:40,650 --> 02:07:38,710
moot point it's obsolete dinosaur

2832
02:07:42,540 --> 02:07:40,660
technology we've already shown in the

2833
02:07:44,550 --> 02:07:42,550
reference works by mid nineteen

2834
02:07:46,530 --> 02:07:44,560
fifty-four fifty-five they were already

2835
02:07:48,990 --> 02:07:46,540
cracking the gravity barrier and

2836
02:07:52,650 --> 02:07:49,000
according to Ben rich whatever we can

2837
02:07:55,100 --> 02:07:52,660
imagine we can do and when we're going

2838
02:07:57,810 --> 02:07:55,110
to find out about this technology

2839
02:08:01,200 --> 02:07:57,820
eventually do you think that it is going

2840
02:08:02,550 --> 02:08:01,210
to be WikiLeaks that is going to expose

2841
02:08:05,910 --> 02:08:02,560
this you think it's going to be a

2842
02:08:08,610 --> 02:08:05,920
whistleblower how do you think this will

2843
02:08:10,920 --> 02:08:08,620
finally go public here's the way that it

2844
02:08:14,370 --> 02:08:10,930
was explained to me via the Leonard

2845
02:08:17,790 --> 02:08:14,380
Stringfield files according to what

2846
02:08:19,890 --> 02:08:17,800
Gordon Cooper are fantastic mercury

2847
02:08:22,380 --> 02:08:19,900
seven Gordon Cooper astronaut who is no

2848
02:08:25,650 --> 02:08:22,390
longer with us but it was his assessment

2849
02:08:29,010 --> 02:08:25,660
that the only way the only way that this

2850
02:08:30,840 --> 02:08:29,020
will ever break is if the scientific

2851
02:08:32,820 --> 02:08:30,850
community comes together as a united

2852
02:08:34,560 --> 02:08:32,830
coalition and that's the only way it's

2853
02:08:38,010 --> 02:08:34,570
going to happen they've got to come

2854
02:08:41,640 --> 02:08:38,020
together as one unified voice that will

2855
02:08:42,780 --> 02:08:41,650
pressure and basically

2856
02:08:44,610 --> 02:08:42,790
over the heads of the

2857
02:08:46,290 --> 02:08:44,620
military-industrial complex that would

2858
02:08:48,090 --> 02:08:46,300
be the only way according to Gordon

2859
02:08:49,890 --> 02:08:48,100
Cooper that this would ever come out do

2860
02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:49,900
you think it's oil that's stopping it

2861
02:08:55,020 --> 02:08:52,570
you know until the oil money runs out

2862
02:08:57,690 --> 02:08:55,030
that this technology just is not going

2863
02:08:59,220 --> 02:08:57,700
to you know be commercialized that's

2864
02:09:00,870 --> 02:08:59,230
kind of touching on what Greer had

2865
02:09:03,750 --> 02:09:00,880
talked about where he talks about the

2866
02:09:05,400 --> 02:09:03,760
utilities and how it would bankrupt them

2867
02:09:08,760 --> 02:09:05,410
and that's true to a certain degree but

2868
02:09:10,830 --> 02:09:08,770
remember they're only interested in

2869
02:09:13,140 --> 02:09:10,840
essentially one thing and that is to

2870
02:09:14,940 --> 02:09:13,150
control the high ground because when you

2871
02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:14,950
control the high ground you control the

2872
02:09:19,350 --> 02:09:17,050
world and the only way to control the

2873
02:09:22,620 --> 02:09:19,360
high ground is to have these classified

2874
02:09:25,500 --> 02:09:22,630
aerospace vehicles in a low Earth orbit

2875
02:09:27,780 --> 02:09:25,510
a geosynchronous orbit or up there in

2876
02:09:30,840 --> 02:09:27,790
space so that you can control that high

2877
02:09:33,750 --> 02:09:30,850
ground so yes the utilities oil is part

2878
02:09:36,060 --> 02:09:33,760
of it but it is that power projection it

2879
02:09:37,800 --> 02:09:36,070
is that first strike capability that

2880
02:09:39,470 --> 02:09:37,810
they're after and they've got it they've

2881
02:09:41,730 --> 02:09:39,480
got it I wouldn't worry about any

2882
02:09:45,150 --> 02:09:41,740
skirmish that we might get involved in

2883
02:09:46,620 --> 02:09:45,160
I've been told by Jim Goodall that when

2884
02:09:49,290 --> 02:09:46,630
you when you hear about something the

2885
02:09:50,970 --> 02:09:49,300
United States is being threatened don't

2886
02:09:53,460 --> 02:09:50,980
worry about it we can take care of it I

2887
02:09:55,380 --> 02:09:53,470
want to thank you so much Michael great

2888
02:09:57,570 --> 02:09:55,390
conversation tonight what's next for you

2889
02:10:00,300 --> 02:09:57,580
are you speaking anywhere I'm going to

2890
02:10:03,360 --> 02:10:00,310
be speaking at the secret space program

2891
02:10:06,540 --> 02:10:03,370
MUFON symposium in Las Vegas and what's

2892
02:10:09,450 --> 02:10:06,550
the date on that that's July 22nd

2893
02:10:11,730 --> 02:10:09,460
through the 24th I believe Oh a time

2894
02:10:14,460 --> 02:10:11,740
frame there's nothing like a good MUFON

2895
02:10:16,890 --> 02:10:14,470
symposium in Las Vegas is there yeah

2896
02:10:18,690 --> 02:10:16,900
thank you so much Michael and we'll see

2897
02:10:20,580 --> 02:10:18,700
you in Las Vegas and a great

2898
02:10:23,730 --> 02:10:20,590
conversation tonight again thank you so

2899
02:10:25,530 --> 02:10:23,740
much thanks Jimmy Michaels rat everybody

2900
02:10:29,280 --> 02:10:25,540
is going to be able to move on symposium

2901
02:10:32,430 --> 02:10:29,290
at the end of July and you can just go

2902
02:10:34,650 --> 02:10:32,440
to a MUFON comm and over moveon.org and

2903
02:10:36,480 --> 02:10:34,660
all the information is there Michael

2904
02:10:38,220 --> 02:10:36,490
shred great conversation tonight

2905
02:10:40,020 --> 02:10:38,230
I'm going to take a quick break I'll be

2906
02:10:42,960 --> 02:10:40,030
right back with more of your phone calls

2907
02:10:46,020 --> 02:10:42,970
and also all of the news that you know

2908
02:10:47,030 --> 02:10:46,030
absolutely nothing about I'll be right

2909
02:10:56,750 --> 02:10:47,040
back

2910
02:10:58,960 --> 02:10:56,760
[Music]

2911
02:11:04,330 --> 02:10:58,970
yeah

2912
02:11:08,870 --> 02:11:06,860
hey what up y'all should go biblical box

2913
02:11:13,810 --> 02:11:08,880
here and you are listening to my boy

2914
02:11:17,780 --> 02:11:13,820
Jimmy Church on Jimmy Church radio calm

2915
02:11:25,640 --> 02:11:17,790
this my popular opinion reading a book

2916
02:11:27,350 --> 02:11:25,650
will not make you smarter so you went to

2917
02:11:30,950 --> 02:11:27,360
dinner last night you had your favorite

2918
02:11:34,220 --> 02:11:30,960
pasta or maybe you had a heavy spicy

2919
02:11:37,130 --> 02:11:34,230
meal in the left tubas get the t-dot-com

2920
02:11:40,400 --> 02:11:37,140
maybe you mowed down a huge steak and

2921
02:11:42,500 --> 02:11:40,410
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[Music]

2981
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all right welcome back

2982
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beta black thank you Michael shred man

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smart dude

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and I just want everybody to know that

2985
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if you go over to the gallery for

2986
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Michael shraddh there are two mature

2987
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traders I come all of the illustrations

2988
02:15:25,800 --> 02:15:23,380
there that we reference in the show

2989
02:15:31,400 --> 02:15:25,810
tonight are there and if you are

2990
02:15:34,170 --> 02:15:31,410
listening to this in the archives that

2991
02:15:36,300 --> 02:15:34,180
we will I think we're going to get

2992
02:15:38,880 --> 02:15:36,310
everything up in the video for YouTube

2993
02:15:40,950 --> 02:15:38,890
but all of everything is always

2994
02:15:42,870 --> 02:15:40,960
referenced there to me trips radio comm

2995
02:15:44,850 --> 02:15:42,880
so you can go in and search Michael

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02:15:48,930 --> 02:15:44,860
shred and then click on the gallery it

2997
02:15:51,330 --> 02:15:48,940
is there an archive for EM thank you so

2998
02:15:53,910 --> 02:15:51,340
much Michael great conversation and back

2999
02:15:56,220 --> 02:15:53,920
to my point when it comes to Mike oh by

3000
02:15:58,110 --> 02:15:56,230
the way phone lines are open both three

3001
02:16:01,530 --> 02:15:58,120
two three eight two five five zero four

3002
02:16:06,290 --> 02:16:01,540
five or three two three two seven five

3003
02:16:10,770 --> 02:16:06,300
nine six nine five both lines are open

3004
02:16:17,480 --> 02:16:10,780
Michael like Dolan and he said John

3005
02:16:21,330 --> 02:16:17,490
Greenwald - they are the voices of

3006
02:16:25,610 --> 02:16:21,340
reason when it comes to ufology

3007
02:16:27,960 --> 02:16:25,620
it's very important for us to have of

3008
02:16:31,530 --> 02:16:27,970
somebody that that can bring the

3009
02:16:34,081 --> 02:16:31,540
information forward so and know exactly

3010
02:16:36,150 --> 02:16:34,091
and not speculate just go out there and

3011
02:16:38,670 --> 02:16:36,160
put it all on the table and that's why

3012
02:16:40,500 --> 02:16:38,680
Michael shraddh I mean I knew this

3013
02:16:41,850 --> 02:16:40,510
conversation was important now I wanted

3014
02:16:46,320 --> 02:16:41,860
to say this I didn't do this during the

3015
02:16:49,831 --> 02:16:46,330
show but Michael walked by read and I

3016
02:16:52,230 --> 02:16:49,841
Rita so we're at the after-party for

3017
02:16:54,030 --> 02:16:52,240
Greer and Rita leans forward to me and

3018
02:16:56,850 --> 02:16:54,040
goes you know we gotta get Michael Shran

3019
02:17:01,291 --> 02:16:56,860
on the show right as she says that to me

3020
02:17:07,920 --> 02:17:04,081
I just went he's right there Trat and I

3021
02:17:10,200 --> 02:17:07,930
yelled out shrap and it was rude I

3022
02:17:12,210 --> 02:17:10,210
didn't say Michael I yell out strat in

3023
02:17:12,900 --> 02:17:12,220
this crowd now he stopped and turned I

3024
02:17:14,580 --> 02:17:12,910
came back

3025
02:17:17,580 --> 02:17:14,590
sat down we booked two shovels over but

3026
02:17:19,860 --> 02:17:17,590
I just wanted to apologize to Michael

3027
02:17:22,320 --> 02:17:19,870
for that because it was just loud it was

3028
02:17:24,690 --> 02:17:22,330
obnoxious and I just wanted to make sure

3029
02:17:26,100 --> 02:17:24,700
that my loud booming voice cut through

3030
02:17:28,080 --> 02:17:26,110
the crowd because there's a lot of

3031
02:17:29,790 --> 02:17:28,090
people there but looking back in

3032
02:17:32,580 --> 02:17:29,800
hindsight it was just completely rude so

3033
02:17:34,620 --> 02:17:32,590
Michael I apologize for that but anyway

3034
02:17:36,780 --> 02:17:34,630
great conversation tonight okay and he

3035
02:17:40,770 --> 02:17:36,790
will be speaking at the MUFON symposium

3036
02:17:44,220 --> 02:17:40,780
third week of July in Las Vegas takes

3037
02:17:47,010 --> 02:17:44,230
tune in for over at MUFON org now

3038
02:17:48,500 --> 02:17:47,020
talking about I want to before I get to

3039
02:17:52,680 --> 02:17:48,510
the news that you know nothing about

3040
02:17:57,000 --> 02:17:52,690
it's very important today when we are

3041
02:18:01,680 --> 02:17:57,010
talking about so much so out there I

3042
02:18:05,640 --> 02:18:01,690
would say probably three years ago two

3043
02:18:07,800 --> 02:18:05,650
years ago as Corey Goode started to do

3044
02:18:09,630 --> 02:18:07,810
his thing and expose the secret space

3045
02:18:11,490 --> 02:18:09,640
program on what was going on with 20

3046
02:18:13,140 --> 02:18:11,500
years of back programmers before Michael

3047
02:18:15,240 --> 02:18:13,150
solid been talking about this for a long

3048
02:18:17,400 --> 02:18:15,250
time and others too as well the secret

3049
02:18:18,900 --> 02:18:17,410
space program and what has been going on

3050
02:18:21,600 --> 02:18:18,910
out there not only on the Moon and Mars

3051
02:18:24,900 --> 02:18:21,610
but but throughout our solar system and

3052
02:18:30,900 --> 02:18:24,910
and throughout history here on on earth

3053
02:18:35,010 --> 02:18:30,910
right that it seemed so fantastical now

3054
02:18:37,050 --> 02:18:35,020
a Corey and Michael and others I'm just

3055
02:18:39,750 --> 02:18:37,060
you know it's just Corey's I'm thinking

3056
02:18:47,070 --> 02:18:39,760
about first here has been talking about

3057
02:18:50,040 --> 02:18:47,080
this for a long time and the the number

3058
02:18:52,860 --> 02:18:50,050
of people out there that are listening

3059
02:18:56,730 --> 02:18:52,870
to different whistleblowers about the

3060
02:18:59,910 --> 02:18:56,740
secret space program of with an open ear

3061
02:19:02,220 --> 02:18:59,920
right it is it has gotten very very

3062
02:19:04,709 --> 02:19:02,230
large but there are others out there

3063
02:19:07,350 --> 02:19:04,719
that goatman there's no evidence there

3064
02:19:10,500 --> 02:19:07,360
is no evidence of a secret space program

3065
02:19:13,919 --> 02:19:10,510
I will pull up two or three maybe four

3066
02:19:16,020 --> 02:19:13,929
examples of for me that there is

3067
02:19:17,730 --> 02:19:16,030
something going on the first thing I'm

3068
02:19:20,160 --> 02:19:17,740
going to point out which is what Michael

3069
02:19:23,570 --> 02:19:20,170
Travis is talking about is the trillions

3070
02:19:26,790 --> 02:19:23,580
of missing dollars trillions not

3071
02:19:30,179 --> 02:19:26,800
billions of missing dollar

3072
02:19:33,589 --> 02:19:30,189
where is it going yes underground base's

3073
02:19:35,669 --> 02:19:33,599
certainly tunneling systems absolutely

3074
02:19:38,099 --> 02:19:35,679
right now they're tunneling underneath

3075
02:19:41,940 --> 02:19:38,109
Los Angeles they had it on the news the

3076
02:19:43,379 --> 02:19:41,950
core the the tunnel machine and and

3077
02:19:44,750 --> 02:19:43,389
they're talking to the contractor

3078
02:19:47,009 --> 02:19:44,760
they're on the news here in Los Angeles

3079
02:19:49,620 --> 02:19:47,019
because well yeah you know we just got

3080
02:19:51,270 --> 02:19:49,630
this back here but it went out it was it

3081
02:19:52,740 --> 02:19:51,280
was being used in other parts of the

3082
02:19:55,410 --> 02:19:52,750
country but now it's back here and it's

3083
02:19:57,570 --> 02:19:55,420
that that famous boring machine that

3084
02:20:00,179 --> 02:19:57,580
you've seen the pictures on over the net

3085
02:20:04,920 --> 02:20:00,189
it is right here in Los Angeles right

3086
02:20:06,450 --> 02:20:04,930
now digging tunnels that's one I don't

3087
02:20:07,950 --> 02:20:06,460
know how many of these are out there

3088
02:20:10,620 --> 02:20:07,960
right now around the country around the

3089
02:20:13,530 --> 02:20:10,630
world that are digging tunnels but it's

3090
02:20:16,230 --> 02:20:13,540
an extraordinarily expensive machine now

3091
02:20:18,929 --> 02:20:16,240
he said on the news here in Los Angeles

3092
02:20:24,030 --> 02:20:18,939
it can drill and this thing is huge

3093
02:20:28,130 --> 02:20:24,040
right a huge 100 meters a day 100 meters

3094
02:20:30,690 --> 02:20:28,140
a day now if this thing is just boring

3095
02:20:32,670 --> 02:20:30,700
24/7 just think about what is underneath

3096
02:20:34,320 --> 02:20:32,680
the United States that you know nothing

3097
02:20:37,320 --> 02:20:34,330
about going back to the missing

3098
02:20:39,960 --> 02:20:37,330
trillions of dollars right that's one

3099
02:20:43,770 --> 02:20:39,970
example of the evidence of a secret

3100
02:20:46,469 --> 02:20:43,780
space program the other one for me which

3101
02:20:48,090 --> 02:20:46,479
is obvious is the x-37b in the United

3102
02:20:51,210 --> 02:20:48,100
States Air Force this was not supposed

3103
02:20:54,110 --> 02:20:51,220
to exist the technology to get this done

3104
02:20:57,780 --> 02:20:54,120
get up there orbit for years at a time

3105
02:21:01,110 --> 02:20:57,790
this is only what has been Declassified

3106
02:21:05,099 --> 02:21:01,120
we have no clue about what is actually

3107
02:21:08,070 --> 02:21:05,109
going on out there none none the the

3108
02:21:12,450 --> 02:21:08,080
fact that Apollo stopped when it did and

3109
02:21:17,070 --> 02:21:12,460
we have not gone past 200 300 400 miles

3110
02:21:23,429 --> 02:21:17,080
past planet Earth since 1974 I'm not

3111
02:21:25,440 --> 02:21:23,439
buying into Skylab the the shuttle right

3112
02:21:28,380 --> 02:21:25,450
that's it the International Space

3113
02:21:31,080 --> 02:21:28,390
Station we haven't done anything beyond

3114
02:21:33,630 --> 02:21:31,090
that sense where's all the money going

3115
02:21:36,389 --> 02:21:33,640
we stopped the shuttle program there's

3116
02:21:40,620 --> 02:21:36,399
no money going into that anymore right

3117
02:21:43,830 --> 02:21:40,630
or is there think about that I just

3118
02:21:47,219 --> 02:21:43,840
by into it and then we have the other

3119
02:21:49,740 --> 02:21:47,229
side of it we have the immense amount of

3120
02:21:53,010 --> 02:21:49,750
disinformation that is piling up on us

3121
02:21:55,410 --> 02:21:53,020
from all directions I don't know what I

3122
02:21:56,670 --> 02:21:55,420
don't know what to believe or who to

3123
02:21:58,830 --> 02:21:56,680
trust anymore I'm talking about

3124
02:22:01,170 --> 02:21:58,840
Washington DC I'm not talking about our

3125
02:22:03,990 --> 02:22:01,180
circle of people I'm talking about

3126
02:22:07,679 --> 02:22:04,000
Washington DC it's a huge disinfo

3127
02:22:11,490 --> 02:22:07,689
campaign the simple fact that when you

3128
02:22:14,969 --> 02:22:11,500
have one two three four five six ten

3129
02:22:17,610 --> 02:22:14,979
trillion dollars in missing money and no

3130
02:22:19,590 --> 02:22:17,620
accountability the Pentagon hasn't been

3131
02:22:22,050 --> 02:22:19,600
audited and nobody has come forward and

3132
02:22:25,710 --> 02:22:22,060
said anything about any of no

3133
02:22:27,270 --> 02:22:25,720
congressmen no senator no no Oversight

3134
02:22:31,469 --> 02:22:27,280
Committee has stepped forward and said

3135
02:22:36,139 --> 02:22:31,479
where is this money nobody and what does

3136
02:22:40,650 --> 02:22:36,149
that tell you it's been spent somewhere

3137
02:22:42,300 --> 02:22:40,660
some of the best at the obvious thing

3138
02:22:44,760 --> 02:22:42,310
that I can say secret space program

3139
02:22:48,270 --> 02:22:44,770
absolutely there is money being spent

3140
02:22:50,610 --> 02:22:48,280
money that you can't even imagine now

3141
02:22:53,480 --> 02:22:50,620
another point that Michael Trapp brought

3142
02:22:56,820 --> 02:22:53,490
up you know just the cost of the f-35

3143
02:22:58,190 --> 02:22:56,830
just the cost could put every homeless

3144
02:23:00,780 --> 02:22:58,200
person in the United States and a

3145
02:23:03,510 --> 02:23:00,790
$600,000 mansion think about that for a

3146
02:23:05,250 --> 02:23:03,520
second that's the kind of money that

3147
02:23:07,560 --> 02:23:05,260
we're talking about here that could

3148
02:23:10,590 --> 02:23:07,570
literally and all of the world's issues

3149
02:23:14,670 --> 02:23:10,600
right now and that money is gone where

3150
02:23:16,440 --> 02:23:14,680
did it go and Congress doesn't want to

3151
02:23:20,040 --> 02:23:16,450
do anything about it nobody has

3152
02:23:20,840 --> 02:23:20,050
mentioned it it's absolutely correct not

3153
02:23:23,610 --> 02:23:20,850
nuts

3154
02:23:24,960 --> 02:23:23,620
back to what I mentioned at the

3155
02:23:28,860 --> 02:23:24,970
beginning of the show I'm going to say

3156
02:23:31,800 --> 02:23:28,870
it here we need a united front we don't

3157
02:23:34,650 --> 02:23:31,810
need the the backstabbing and and and

3158
02:23:38,310 --> 02:23:34,660
tog and this guy is right and this guy

3159
02:23:39,179 --> 02:23:38,320
is wrong these kinds of conversations

3160
02:23:42,600 --> 02:23:39,189
going on out there

3161
02:23:45,929 --> 02:23:42,610
when I hear people doing that that says

3162
02:23:47,880 --> 02:23:45,939
to me that that is disinformation right

3163
02:23:50,850 --> 02:23:47,890
they're trying to deflect off of the

3164
02:23:53,240 --> 02:23:50,860
real issues that somebody out here is

3165
02:23:56,660 --> 02:23:53,250
absolutely wrong it

3166
02:23:58,760 --> 02:23:56,670
it is it is bothering me so everybody

3167
02:24:01,870 --> 02:23:58,770
that's listening to me right now all of

3168
02:24:06,880 --> 02:24:01,880
you fader knots out there united front

3169
02:24:10,400 --> 02:24:06,890
united front everybody is right

3170
02:24:12,890 --> 02:24:10,410
everybody is right we need to listen to

3171
02:24:15,140 --> 02:24:12,900
everybody if we stopped and you know

3172
02:24:17,960 --> 02:24:15,150
when we talk about some of the research

3173
02:24:18,920 --> 02:24:17,970
from the obvious like Dolan or Linda

3174
02:24:22,310 --> 02:24:18,930
Moulton Howe

3175
02:24:25,040 --> 02:24:22,320
you know the Greer is another great

3176
02:24:29,600 --> 02:24:25,050
example of this or Cory good or anybody

3177
02:24:32,000 --> 02:24:29,610
that you can mention here the the amount

3178
02:24:35,390 --> 02:24:32,010
of backstabbing and things that have

3179
02:24:39,320 --> 02:24:35,400
gone on for all of them it's just wrong

3180
02:24:41,720 --> 02:24:39,330
I I will not be subject to it I'm not

3181
02:24:43,130 --> 02:24:41,730
going to buy into any of it alright

3182
02:24:44,570 --> 02:24:43,140
there you go

3183
02:24:47,300 --> 02:24:44,580
there is stuff that is being talked

3184
02:24:49,700 --> 02:24:47,310
about right now on a few different

3185
02:24:52,520 --> 02:24:49,710
fronts and I want all of you just a

3186
02:24:54,740 --> 02:24:52,530
plain and simply ignore it ignore it

3187
02:24:57,110 --> 02:24:54,750
alright and I don't care who is coming

3188
02:24:58,700 --> 02:24:57,120
from you listen to me first all right

3189
02:25:00,830 --> 02:24:58,710
let's get to all of the news that you

3190
02:25:01,960 --> 02:25:00,840
know absolutely nothing about check this

3191
02:25:09,910 --> 02:25:01,970
out

3192
02:25:14,450 --> 02:25:09,920
New York City New York City scooped up

3193
02:25:18,740 --> 02:25:14,460
993 million dollars in a billion dollars

3194
02:25:21,380 --> 02:25:18,750
in fines fines in 2016

3195
02:25:25,880 --> 02:25:21,390
driven by a spike and quality-of-life

3196
02:25:29,510 --> 02:25:25,890
violations listen to this a billion

3197
02:25:33,680 --> 02:25:29,520
dollars the fines show a 22 percent

3198
02:25:35,840 --> 02:25:33,690
increase in revenue since 2016 can you

3199
02:25:39,230 --> 02:25:35,850
say cash cow right they figure something

3200
02:25:44,090 --> 02:25:39,240
out in New York total fines collected in

3201
02:25:45,890 --> 02:25:44,100
fiscal year 2016 jumped to 93 nine

3202
02:25:48,500 --> 02:25:45,900
hundred and ninety three million dollars

3203
02:25:50,360 --> 02:25:48,510
a three point seven percent rise I nine

3204
02:25:53,090 --> 02:25:50,370
hundred and fifty seven million dollars

3205
02:25:58,250 --> 02:25:53,100
collected from the year before and the

3206
02:26:03,860 --> 02:25:58,260
third record year in a row city

3207
02:26:07,100 --> 02:26:03,870
officials handed out nearly 700,000

3208
02:26:10,041 --> 02:26:07,110
quality-of-life fines in 2000

3209
02:26:12,261 --> 02:26:10,051
tene that's for a total of 184 million

3210
02:26:20,470 --> 02:26:12,271
dollars in fines representing a growth

3211
02:26:24,350 --> 02:26:20,480
of 51% since 2013 and these include

3212
02:26:28,551 --> 02:26:24,360
violations such as littering noise

3213
02:26:31,400 --> 02:26:28,561
pollution sidewalk violations and public

3214
02:26:35,240 --> 02:26:31,410
health and safety violations I'm not

3215
02:26:38,030 --> 02:26:35,250
making this up 2/3 of those tickets came

3216
02:26:41,780 --> 02:26:38,040
from the Department of Sanitation for

3217
02:26:44,501 --> 02:26:41,790
improper waste disposal dirty sidewalks

3218
02:26:48,470 --> 02:26:44,511
another trash in public cleanliness

3219
02:26:50,841 --> 02:26:48,480
infractions parking tickets and traffic

3220
02:26:53,150 --> 02:26:50,851
violations are the lead revenue

3221
02:26:56,480 --> 02:26:53,160
generator for fines where city officials

3222
02:26:59,030 --> 02:26:56,490
issued between 9 million and 11 million

3223
02:27:02,450 --> 02:26:59,040
tickets in a given year and account for

3224
02:27:07,421 --> 02:27:02,460
55% of all fines for a total of five

3225
02:27:11,780 --> 02:27:07,431
hundred and forty five million dollars

3226
02:27:16,131 --> 02:27:11,790
are you listening to me now after this

3227
02:27:20,120 --> 02:27:16,141
got released here in Los Angeles there

3228
02:27:21,310 --> 02:27:20,130
was a cop I believe you just got fired

3229
02:27:25,671 --> 02:27:21,320
I'm not going to say his name

3230
02:27:29,720 --> 02:27:25,681
got caught in downtown LA going up two

3231
02:27:32,150 --> 02:27:29,730
parking meters and erasing the time on

3232
02:27:34,640 --> 02:27:32,160
the meters now I didn't even know that

3233
02:27:38,690 --> 02:27:34,650
this was possible and as it turns out it

3234
02:27:41,180 --> 02:27:38,700
is right they can go up to a parking

3235
02:27:43,610 --> 02:27:41,190
meter that you have just put cash in and

3236
02:27:45,801 --> 02:27:43,620
he erased the time on the parking meter

3237
02:27:48,711 --> 02:27:45,811
and then turn around and issue you a

3238
02:27:52,820 --> 02:27:48,721
ticket but but what happened here was

3239
02:27:54,860 --> 02:27:52,830
the guy got caught so the person whose

3240
02:27:56,930 --> 02:27:54,870
car was there went out to put some extra

3241
02:27:59,030 --> 02:27:56,940
money in the meter caught the cop there

3242
02:28:01,341 --> 02:27:59,040
was 55 minutes left on the meter

3243
02:28:02,990 --> 02:28:01,351
something like that 54 minutes left on

3244
02:28:05,570 --> 02:28:03,000
the meter he just wanted to pump another

3245
02:28:08,810 --> 02:28:05,580
hour into it and saw the cop with it and

3246
02:28:11,180 --> 02:28:08,820
I believe videotaped the cop erasing it

3247
02:28:14,301 --> 02:28:11,190
down to zero and cutting him a parking

3248
02:28:16,881 --> 02:28:14,311
ticket he got caught and turned in now

3249
02:28:19,910 --> 02:28:16,891
that cop is unemployed I think about

3250
02:28:21,149 --> 02:28:19,920
this for a second how many times and

3251
02:28:24,210 --> 02:28:21,159
that's here in lausanne

3252
02:28:25,710 --> 02:28:24,220
it could be city wide think about what I

3253
02:28:27,929 --> 02:28:25,720
just told you about this is the

3254
02:28:30,359 --> 02:28:27,939
conspiracy right think about this going

3255
02:28:32,399 --> 02:28:30,369
down in New York you lose track of time

3256
02:28:34,469 --> 02:28:32,409
you don't know what's going on did I

3257
02:28:36,570 --> 02:28:34,479
have two hours left I have an hour left

3258
02:28:38,070 --> 02:28:36,580
I better run out boom you go out your

3259
02:28:40,910 --> 02:28:38,080
car's at zero and you got a traffic

3260
02:28:44,370 --> 02:28:40,920
ticket and you're trying to remember

3261
02:28:48,929 --> 02:28:44,380
what went on and what do you do you just

3262
02:28:51,450 --> 02:28:48,939
pay the ticket right think about it the

3263
02:28:53,490 --> 02:28:51,460
conspiracy of making a billion dollars

3264
02:28:56,910 --> 02:28:53,500
in New York it's going down here in Los

3265
02:28:59,309 --> 02:28:56,920
Angeles I'm just saying think about that

3266
02:29:03,630 --> 02:28:59,319
for a second now got to talk about

3267
02:29:08,160 --> 02:29:03,640
Bitcoin because the world's most popular

3268
02:29:10,830 --> 02:29:08,170
cryptocurrency continues to set historic

3269
02:29:14,570 --> 02:29:10,840
highs over the last week last week

3270
02:29:18,500 --> 02:29:14,580
Bitcoin cracked a fifteen hundred dollar

3271
02:29:21,330 --> 02:29:18,510
barrier it happened last Thursday

3272
02:29:23,790 --> 02:29:21,340
Bitcoin was trading at one thousand five

3273
02:29:27,210 --> 02:29:23,800
hundred and fifteen dollars against the

3274
02:29:29,040 --> 02:29:27,220
US dollar and now that retreated off to

3275
02:29:30,750 --> 02:29:29,050
the day's high of one thousand five

3276
02:29:32,399 --> 02:29:30,760
hundred forty-four dollars and forty

3277
02:29:36,300 --> 02:29:32,409
three cents and this is according to the

3278
02:29:39,870 --> 02:29:36,310
coin deck price index the digital

3279
02:29:45,809 --> 02:29:39,880
currency has gained more than 32 percent

3280
02:29:50,420 --> 02:29:45,819
in the last two weeks the rally has been

3281
02:29:54,570 --> 02:29:50,430
credited to growing global demand led by

3282
02:29:57,300 --> 02:29:54,580
Japan which recently authorized digital

3283
02:30:01,849 --> 02:29:57,310
currencies as legal payment methods and

3284
02:30:05,330 --> 02:30:01,859
it's bit flyer Bitcoin exchange

3285
02:30:08,880 --> 02:30:05,340
thirty-two percent increase in two weeks

3286
02:30:11,160 --> 02:30:08,890
and what would you say if gold did that

3287
02:30:13,679 --> 02:30:11,170
what would you say if the stock market

3288
02:30:16,920 --> 02:30:13,689
did that we're talking about get Bitcoin

3289
02:30:20,519 --> 02:30:16,930
a digital currency there are movements

3290
02:30:23,010 --> 02:30:20,529
going on right now in Washington to

3291
02:30:25,859 --> 02:30:23,020
actually make Bitcoin legal currency and

3292
02:30:29,010 --> 02:30:25,869
to start to track it now is it because

3293
02:30:31,320 --> 02:30:29,020
the government wants to be able to start

3294
02:30:34,109 --> 02:30:31,330
taxing Bitcoin right they want to be

3295
02:30:34,650 --> 02:30:34,119
able to track it right now we have the

3296
02:30:38,460 --> 02:30:34,660
whole and

3297
02:30:40,770 --> 02:30:38,470
on the side of Bitcoin the the ties to

3298
02:30:44,970 --> 02:30:40,780
Bitcoin I've talked about this over the

3299
02:30:46,680 --> 02:30:44,980
years trying to create an image of

3300
02:30:48,900 --> 02:30:46,690
Bitcoin that is you know it's for drug

3301
02:30:52,170 --> 02:30:48,910
dealing and drug trafficking and and

3302
02:30:54,900 --> 02:30:52,180
porn sites and tour and the Deep Web and

3303
02:30:58,051 --> 02:30:54,910
and it's cryptocurrency and it's

3304
02:31:00,270 --> 02:30:58,061
untraceable and is this is this now

3305
02:31:02,280 --> 02:31:00,280
Washington's way of getting in on the

3306
02:31:04,950 --> 02:31:02,290
action and will they be able to

3307
02:31:08,730 --> 02:31:04,960
eventually trace some of these

3308
02:31:10,650 --> 02:31:08,740
transactions it's a big question one too

3309
02:31:13,200 --> 02:31:10,660
let's not forget tor was created by the

3310
02:31:18,210 --> 02:31:13,210
the United States government the whole

3311
02:31:21,690 --> 02:31:18,220
and on anonymity behind tor is it a

3312
02:31:25,560 --> 02:31:21,700
facade is there a way to actually trace

3313
02:31:28,140 --> 02:31:25,570
and track not only the users on the web

3314
02:31:30,240 --> 02:31:28,150
but the transactions that are going on

3315
02:31:33,060 --> 02:31:30,250
not where you go and surf there's that

3316
02:31:36,450 --> 02:31:33,070
but also the transactions I think

3317
02:31:38,250 --> 02:31:36,460
there's something behind all of this the

3318
02:31:39,780 --> 02:31:38,260
darkness that has been painted on

3319
02:31:42,480 --> 02:31:39,790
Bitcoin over the years

3320
02:31:45,650 --> 02:31:42,490
again it's just a currency used by

3321
02:31:48,810 --> 02:31:45,660
criminals too now going mainstream and

3322
02:31:52,020 --> 02:31:48,820
being tied into Tor directly it's going

3323
02:31:55,051 --> 02:31:52,030
to be interesting a will Bitcoin if it

3324
02:31:58,230 --> 02:31:55,061
does go to ATM machines and transactions

3325
02:32:00,690 --> 02:31:58,240
when you order your Domino's Pizza will

3326
02:32:04,860 --> 02:32:00,700
will the ability to track Bitcoin at

3327
02:32:07,980 --> 02:32:04,870
that point be able to be used to track

3328
02:32:12,110 --> 02:32:07,990
all transactions of Bitcoin and the

3329
02:32:14,850 --> 02:32:12,120
entire anonymous part of it disappears

3330
02:32:17,070 --> 02:32:14,860
think about that I do believe there's

3331
02:32:20,640 --> 02:32:17,080
something behind this more on this

3332
02:32:24,210 --> 02:32:20,650
there's no way as its value increases

3333
02:32:26,190 --> 02:32:24,220
and and more and more transactions will

3334
02:32:29,910 --> 02:32:26,200
be allowed and it becomes an actual

3335
02:32:31,860 --> 02:32:29,920
legitimate authorized currency it's not

3336
02:32:35,580 --> 02:32:31,870
going to be the same the party may be

3337
02:32:37,320 --> 02:32:35,590
over for Bitcoin now over the North

3338
02:32:38,820 --> 02:32:37,330
Korea got to talk about this for a

3339
02:32:42,301 --> 02:32:38,830
second because North Korea over the

3340
02:32:45,540 --> 02:32:42,311
weekend warned China of grave

3341
02:32:48,171 --> 02:32:45,550
consequences that's right it's best

3342
02:32:49,940 --> 02:32:48,181
friend until it's only friend in

3343
02:32:54,091 --> 02:32:49,950
the world North Korea a little bit with

3344
02:32:57,001 --> 02:32:54,101
Russia but or a China

3345
02:33:00,480 --> 02:32:57,011
North Korea said there will be grave

3346
02:33:03,150 --> 02:33:00,490
consequences if it chops down relations

3347
02:33:05,341 --> 02:33:03,160
between the two countries despite the

3348
02:33:07,440 --> 02:33:05,351
angry outburst Beijing is trying to

3349
02:33:10,350 --> 02:33:07,450
chill them out and says it wants to

3350
02:33:13,610 --> 02:33:10,360
maintain friendly relations with its

3351
02:33:17,160 --> 02:33:13,620
southern neighbor in a commentary late

3352
02:33:20,700 --> 02:33:17,170
last week which was a Friday North

3353
02:33:23,761 --> 02:33:20,710
Korean state news agency KCNA took aim

3354
02:33:26,400 --> 02:33:23,771
and I'm quoting here at a string of

3355
02:33:29,791 --> 02:33:26,410
absurd and reckless remarks and quote

3356
02:33:32,001 --> 02:33:29,801
from Chinese media toward Pyongyang's

3357
02:33:36,330 --> 02:33:32,011
nuclear ambitions

3358
02:33:39,770 --> 02:33:36,340
I'm quoting the DPRK will never beg for

3359
02:33:42,870 --> 02:33:39,780
maintenance of friendship with China Wow

3360
02:33:46,801 --> 02:33:42,880
risking its nuclear program which it is

3361
02:33:49,711 --> 02:33:46,811
as precious as its own life no matter

3362
02:33:52,291 --> 02:33:49,721
how valuable the friendship is China

3363
02:33:55,140 --> 02:33:52,301
should no longer try to test the limits

3364
02:34:01,140 --> 02:33:55,150
of the DPRK

3365
02:34:04,650 --> 02:34:01,150
patience they continue China better had

3366
02:34:07,980 --> 02:34:04,660
ponder over the grave consequences to be

3367
02:34:10,980 --> 02:34:07,990
entailed by its reckless act of chopping

3368
02:34:16,620 --> 02:34:10,990
down the pillar of the DPRK China

3369
02:34:17,730 --> 02:34:16,630
relations end quote wow this is the only

3370
02:34:19,860 --> 02:34:17,740
friend you have in the world the

3371
02:34:21,660 --> 02:34:19,870
rhetoric has always been at the United

3372
02:34:25,160 --> 02:34:21,670
States a little bit of China a little

3373
02:34:30,291 --> 02:34:25,170
bit at South Korea right now China is

3374
02:34:37,350 --> 02:34:30,301
the focus of North Korea's talk

3375
02:34:40,740 --> 02:34:37,360
absolutely crazy I know I have I have a

3376
02:34:44,310 --> 02:34:40,750
feeling that on the inside China has

3377
02:34:45,720 --> 02:34:44,320
told North Korea to chill out I had said

3378
02:34:48,600 --> 02:34:45,730
last week and I said it the week before

3379
02:34:52,020 --> 02:34:48,610
there's a reason why the latest nuclear

3380
02:34:55,530 --> 02:34:52,030
test hasn't happened for some reason

3381
02:34:58,770 --> 02:34:55,540
it's over right now will there be a

3382
02:35:01,950 --> 02:34:58,780
sixth nuclear test okay

3383
02:35:04,711 --> 02:35:01,960
if there is one will there be a reaction

3384
02:35:07,109 --> 02:35:04,721
from Trump this time out I have the

3385
02:35:09,029 --> 02:35:07,119
feeling that China thinks that

3386
02:35:11,309 --> 02:35:09,039
there will be something crazy going off

3387
02:35:12,869 --> 02:35:11,319
China does not want this on their border

3388
02:35:15,119 --> 02:35:12,879
I can tell you right now they don't want

3389
02:35:17,429 --> 02:35:15,129
they don't want to have war break out if

3390
02:35:19,829 --> 02:35:17,439
that war breaks out are we in a proxy

3391
02:35:23,010 --> 02:35:19,839
war with China or is china side with us

3392
02:35:26,219 --> 02:35:23,020
right and and and get kim yong fatty fat

3393
02:35:27,869 --> 02:35:26,229
out I don't know but in other North

3394
02:35:30,919 --> 02:35:27,879
Korea news because this is what is

3395
02:35:34,499 --> 02:35:30,929
interesting the House overwhelmingly

3396
02:35:37,229 --> 02:35:34,509
voted last Thursday to impose new

3397
02:35:39,059 --> 02:35:37,239
sanctions on North Korea and made all of

3398
02:35:40,979 --> 02:35:39,069
these tensions over the nuclear and

3399
02:35:46,649 --> 02:35:40,989
ballistic missile programs and testing

3400
02:35:48,809 --> 02:35:46,659
the vote was 419 to 1 and you have not

3401
02:35:51,419 --> 02:35:48,819
heard about this in the mainstream news

3402
02:35:55,649 --> 02:35:51,429
I'm reporting it to you here

3403
02:35:57,599 --> 02:35:55,659
the vote was 419 to 1 targets North

3404
02:36:01,919 --> 02:35:57,609
Korea shipping industry and the use of

3405
02:36:04,260 --> 02:36:01,929
slave labor now listen to me it requires

3406
02:36:06,959 --> 02:36:04,270
such a Trump administration report to

3407
02:36:10,529 --> 02:36:06,969
Congress within 90 days on whether North

3408
02:36:12,479 --> 02:36:10,539
Korea should be reinstated on the

3409
02:36:14,939 --> 02:36:12,489
government state sponsors of the terror

3410
02:36:17,219 --> 02:36:14,949
list such a designation would trigger

3411
02:36:19,739 --> 02:36:17,229
more sanctions including restriction on

3412
02:36:22,109 --> 02:36:19,749
US foreign assistance I thought there

3413
02:36:24,659 --> 02:36:22,119
was nothing left from us I didn't think

3414
02:36:28,499 --> 02:36:24,669
there was anything left existing and to

3415
02:36:30,949 --> 02:36:28,509
have 90 days out on more sanctions

3416
02:36:35,099 --> 02:36:30,959
doesn't make anything anything was left

3417
02:36:38,969 --> 02:36:35,109
listen to this specifically the bar the

3418
02:36:41,669 --> 02:36:38,979
bill bars ships owned by North Korea or

3419
02:36:44,789 --> 02:36:41,679
by countries that refused to comply with

3420
02:36:47,760 --> 02:36:44,799
UN resolutions against it from operating

3421
02:36:50,459 --> 02:36:47,770
in American waters or docking at US

3422
02:36:52,649 --> 02:36:50,469
ports now what this says to me is North

3423
02:36:56,969 --> 02:36:52,659
Korean ships are currently docking in US

3424
02:36:59,789 --> 02:36:56,979
ports that we are importing goods from

3425
02:37:02,459 --> 02:36:59,799
North Korea that aren't manufactured by

3426
02:37:04,619 --> 02:37:02,469
slave labor isn't it all slave labor

3427
02:37:08,609 --> 02:37:04,629
the last plant that was there the joint

3428
02:37:10,800 --> 02:37:08,619
sells South Korea North Korea plant

3429
02:37:13,769 --> 02:37:10,810
that's been shut down for two years so

3430
02:37:19,480 --> 02:37:13,779
what is the goods that we are importing

3431
02:37:25,430 --> 02:37:22,700
goods produced by North Korea's forced

3432
02:37:28,640 --> 02:37:25,440
labor would be prohibited from entering

3433
02:37:32,030 --> 02:37:28,650
the United States that's the vote of 419

3434
02:37:33,920 --> 02:37:32,040
to 1 but flip this over a hundred and

3435
02:37:37,250 --> 02:37:33,930
eighty degrees and look at the back side

3436
02:37:40,960 --> 02:37:37,260
of this what this is saying is that the

3437
02:37:43,790 --> 02:37:40,970
sanctions would be put in place to block

3438
02:37:46,610 --> 02:37:43,800
the forced labor goods that are

3439
02:37:48,950 --> 02:37:46,620
currently being imported into the United

3440
02:37:52,460 --> 02:37:48,960
States did you know about this

3441
02:37:56,360 --> 02:37:52,470
I didn't it doesn't make any sense does

3442
02:37:59,630 --> 02:37:56,370
it you kind of love Washington are there

3443
02:38:01,430 --> 02:37:59,640
right now ships from North Korea pulling

3444
02:38:03,380 --> 02:38:01,440
in to the United States and goods are

3445
02:38:05,540 --> 02:38:03,390
being brought off of these ships and

3446
02:38:07,370 --> 02:38:05,550
sold here inside of the United States

3447
02:38:09,920 --> 02:38:07,380
that have been manufactured by slave

3448
02:38:12,080 --> 02:38:09,930
labor in North Korea and that if they do

3449
02:38:14,720 --> 02:38:12,090
another missile test if they do another

3450
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nuclear test that we're going to stop

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those ships from getting here well

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that's what the bill proposes 419 to 1

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and I'm telling you you didn't know

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anything about it think about that for a

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second all right

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really quick I've got to uh I got to get

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these two stories in because they're

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crazy I got two minutes left to

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statistics students at the University of

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Kentucky are now facing the consequences

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for making a really huge miscalculation

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during finals week why well please hit

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Henry Lynch the second and Troy Kip

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through both 21 with third-degree

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burglary charges last Wednesday after

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they allegedly crawled through an air

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duct to steal an exam from a professor's

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office instructor John Kane said that he

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had been working late in his office in

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the Science Building last Tuesday when

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he left to get something to eat

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he returned around 1:30 a.m. but his

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door was blocked and he couldn't get in

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he yelled out that he was calling the

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police and then the door swung open and

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the two students ran down the hallway

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Lynch who is in Kane's class later

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returned and confessed to police to be a

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crawl through the building's air ducts

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to drop down into the office then he

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admitted to doing

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same thing a couple of months before in

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the semester there you go air ducts

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dropped in that's it's just too funny

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anyway the ongoing cases have been

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referred to the Fayette County Circuit

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Court all right 30 seconds here you go

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sit down and enjoy this the city of

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Chicago has approved a plan to block

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Trump's name on his tower with giant

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flying golden pigs architect Jeffery

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Roberts first came up with the idea for

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flying pigs on parade

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the possibility that Donald Trump would

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clinched the presidency seemed like well

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when a fig when pigs fly type of

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02:40:19,010 --> 02:40:17,339
situation the phrase has taken on a

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whole new meaning now that the plan to

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cover up Trump's name on his Chicago

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hotel with flying golding pigs is

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officially seriously for real it's going

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to happen the 20-foot tall Trump sign

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will be covered up with four floating

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20-foot tall golden pigs and this is

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fade to black I want to thank Michael

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shred for an absolutely amazing

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conversation tonight think of everybody

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